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So if the Romex is loaded with THHN/THWN (damp/wet rated), and no
where does the outer covering of the Romex itself get exposed to the
wet location, that should be sufficient? <br>
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Ray Walters<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/26/2012 7:45 PM, Glenn Burt
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">300.9
Raceways in Wet Locations Above Grade.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Where
raceways are installed in wet locations abovegrade, the
interior of these raceways shall be considered to be a wet
location. Insulated conductors and cables installed in
raceways in wet locations abovegrade shall comply with
310.8(C).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">“Section
300.9, new for the 2008 Code and similar to 300.5(B), draws
attention to the inside of all raceways and enclosures
installed in an abovegrade wet location. The inside of these
raceways and enclosures now definitively requires conductors
and cables suitable for use in wet locations in accordance
with to 310.8.” – Explanatory note<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">310.8
Locations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(C)
Wet Locations. Insulated conductors and cables used in wet
locations shall comply with one of the following: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(1)
Be moisture-impervious metal-sheathed <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(2)
Be types MTW, RHW, RHW-2, TW, THW, THW-2, THHW,
THWN, THWN-2, XHHW, XHHW-2, ZW <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(3)
Be of a type listed for use in wet locations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>benn kilburn<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 26, 2012 2:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase and Romex<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Glenn/Jason,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">So
you wouldn't use romex to feed an exterior outlet on
an outside wall, or to any outside lights???<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Canadian
Electrical Code's (CE Code) definitions…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">wet
location</span></u><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue"> -a
location in which liquids may drip, splash, or flow on
or against electrical equipment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Damp
location</span></u><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">
–an exterior or interior location that is normally or
periodically subject to condensation of moisture in,
on, or, adjacent to electrical equipment an includes
partially protected locations under canopies,
parquees, roofed open porches, and similar locations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Dry
location </span></u><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">–a
location not normally subject to dampness, but that
may include a location subject to temporary dampness
as in the case of a building under construction,
provided that ventilation is adequate to prevent an
accumulation of moisture. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">If
inside your attic is considered a "wet location", then
you have other issues. Are you sure the NEC's
definition of 'wet location' is relating to the
location of the romex?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">I
just spoke to one of my inspectors and he sees no
issue with entering the bottom of a soladeck with
romex. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">On
the grounding/bonding, I have been using the bare wire
in the romex for the enphase system ground (within the
enphase cable) and running a #6 from the mod frames
and rails into the soladeck and along side the romex
back to the panelboard.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">I
need to get myself a copy of your NEC so I can be on
the same page as you guys. I hear it is written in a
way that is much easier to interpret than the CE Code,
which is written in a very legal jargon.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">On
25/10/12 9:37 AM, "Glenn Burt" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:glenn.burt@glbcc.com">glenn.burt@glbcc.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Soladeck
on the rooftop places it in an environment that is
considered ‘wet’.</span><span style="color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
don’t think Romex is listed for use in a wet
environment.</span><span style="color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This
would force you to use the proposed jbox in the attic
for the transition location.</span><span
style="color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
also understood that you could combine the EGC and GEC
into a single conductor as long as it is continuous or
irreversibly spliced, as part of the ’08 code.</span><span
style="color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-Glenn
Burt</span><span style="color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason Szumlanski<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches] Enphase and Romex</span><span
style="color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue">I'm sure this
has been covered, but I could not find it in the
archives.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue">We are
considering using Romex in the attic for the first
time. My plan was to use the new Enphase coupler to
connect the trunk cable to Type TC-ER, enter a
Soladeck passthrough box on the roof into a junction
box in the attic where I would make the transition to
10/3 Romex. I'm hung up on the GEC going back to the
service panel. Any suggestions?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="color:blue">By the way, we are on NEC 2008, and
in most cases there is also a requirement for an
additional grounding electrode per NEC 690.47(D) (that
shouldn't really relate to my issue).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Szumlanski</span></strong><em><span
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style="color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><em><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">Fafco
Solar</span></em><span style="color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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