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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dan,<br>
      Starting around 1999 with the successful introduction of the RV
      Power Products (long since renamed Blue Sky Energy) Solar Boost
      50, we did lots of controller upgrades, as that 15-20% winter
      boost was a cheap and effective upgrade. For a few years we
      referred to the C40 as "our best-selling used charge controller".<br>
      <br>
      I'll be waiting for the tech info on this from Tigo. It may be
      good for shaded sites, which (being in the high desert) don't come
      up as often as in other regions. I'd like to know when to use
      them, and in which (series and/or parallel) configurations. <br>
      <br>
      Thank you,<br>
      Allan<br>
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      On 10/15/2012 5:21 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dan@foxfire-energy.com">dan@foxfire-energy.com</a> wrote:<br>
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        <div>Hey Alan, I checked in with Tigo tech support to reconfirm.
          they assure me yes, this generation of optimizer (Basically a
          module level MPPT DC to DC converter) does work with MPPT
          controllers for battery charging. I pressed them for a cut
          sheet or statement outlining their performance in battery
          charging systems and was told they're working on a formal
          statement that can be shared with the group. I also asked for
          an updated on their efforts in AFCI. Again, they tell me
          they'd have something to share PDQ.. I agree, module level
          optimizers seem a bit like bleeding edge technology (Snake
          Oil), but I have a new techno weenie customer who swears by
          them. He tells me he's used them on several projects (mostly
          for system performance monitoring) and wants me to use them on
          his install, so I'm trying to do my homework as well. if
          anyone out there has insight, I sure would appreciate it. I'm
          still in wonder of the summer of 2003 I think it was.. seems
          we only installed C40 and C60s up to that point. Then all most
          over night MPPT controllers became the new industry
          benchmark.. Seems module level DC to DC converters have the
          potential to address several issues. I love my job. db<br>
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          Renewable Energy Systems<br>
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            -------- Original Message --------<br>
            Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Fwd: Charge control question<br>
            From: Allan Sindelar <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:allan@positiveenergysolar.com">allan@positiveenergysolar.com</a>><br>
            Date: Mon, October 15, 2012 3:46 pm<br>
            To: RE-wrenches <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dan,<br>
              I checked out the Tigo website, and found nothing there to
              suggest that these were intended for off grid battery
              charging applications. A round-the-world sailboat is off
              grid. Are you suggesting that these will work in battery
              charging applications? If so,this is news. Do you have any
              more info you can share with us about this?<br>
              Thanks, Allan<br>
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              On 10/11/2012 2:58 PM, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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              wrote:<br>
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                <div>Check out Tigo Optimizers:</div>
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                <div>db<br>
                  Dan Brown<br>
                  Foxfire Energy Corp.<br>
                  Renewable Energy Systems<br>
                  (802)-483-2564<br>
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                    href="http://www.Foxfire-Energy.com">www.Foxfire-Energy.com</a><br>
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                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Allan Sindelar<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:04
                          PM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches] Fwd: Charge
                          control question<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                  <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;;">Wrenches,<br>
                    I'm posting this for Carl Bickford, prof emeritus of
                    the renewable energy training program at San Juan
                    College in Farmington, New Mexico. I'll forward your
                    responses to him.<o:p></o:p></div>
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                        <div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                          have a very interesting and talented friend
                          who is rebuilding a blue-water sailboat for a
                          round-the-world trip. He is well versed in
                          solar and is trying to use a relatively large
                          array to charge a big battery bank that will
                          be used for propulsion as well as general
                          electrical. The propulsion system will be
                          backed up with a propane generator he is
                          building himself out of a Toyota truck engine.<o:p></o:p></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As
                          you can imagine, there is no place on a
                          sailboat where shading isn’t a problem. He and
                          I were wondering if there were products out
                          there that could MPPT either individual
                          modules, or small groups of them for 12 V
                          battery charging. I have seen such things for
                          the inputs of grid-tied inverters, but nothing
                          yet for off-grid. The other choice is to go
                          with many small MPPT charge controllers like
                          the ones from Solar Converters.<o:p></o:p></div>
                        <div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Any
                          advice you can offer?<o:p></o:p></div>
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style="font-size:12pt;;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Take
                          care,<br>
                          Carl <br>
                          <br>
                          <o:p></o:p></div>
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                        Bickford<br>
                        Professor of Engineering and Renewable Energy<br>
                        San Juan College<br>
                        4601 College Blvd.<br>
                        Farmington, NM 87402<br>
                        505-566-3503<br>
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true" target="_blank"
                          href="mailto:bickfordc@sanjuancollege.edu">bickfordc@sanjuancollege.edu</a><o:p></o:p></div>
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                        I offered the suggestion below. Certainly open
                        to other and better ideas.<br>
                        Allan<br>
                        <br>
                        <o:p></o:p></div>
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                          have not encountered this situation, so I have
                          no advice from experience. At 12V, it's hardly
                          an issue as it is with high voltage parallel
                          strings, where a few shaded cells can cause a
                          whole string to drop out of the inverter's
                          MPPT. At most, a shaded cell weakens the
                          output of that module. And since it's charging
                          batteries, there's a greater amount of head
                          room.<br>
                          <br>
                          I would suggest looking into Blue Sky Energy's
                          "i" series - smaller MPPT controllers that can
                          be networked. We seldom use them, as our
                          residential applications are different. But
                          you could put a controller on a group of
                          modules and network several together. One
                          advantage, I think (you'd want to check this)
                          is that Blue Sky's MPPT algorithm is analog,
                          unlike Outback and others: on the old Solar
                          Boost series, the MPPT boost was set with a
                          trim pot to a particular voltage above battery
                          voltage; the target is to set it to where the
                          boost was greatest. You could set this boost
                          slightly lower than peak, and output just a
                          little below MPP. That way the overall output
                          would be minimally reduced, and a modest
                          amount of shading would not cause the shaded
                          module to drop below collective MPP as
                          readily.<o:p></o:p></div>
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