<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri" style="font-size: 13px;">Bill, </font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri" style="font-size: 13px;">FWIW: none of the companies with flashed attachments solutions mentioned in the article we ran in SP1.1 were advertisers. </font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri" style="font-size: 13px;">Having said that, I do see a lot of articles in trade publications that are pretty shameless exercises in product placement. I've always found that off-putting and assumed that others feel the same way. That's why we try to develop content that does not insult our readers.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri" style="font-size: 13px;">Rather running a pay-to-play kind of shop, our goal has always been to publish the best technical content possible. If readers like the content, then we get more industry subscribers. Reaching that audience is desirable to advertisers. Having advertiser support allows us to compensate authors for their high quality technical content that readers enjoy. </font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 13px; ">Ideally, it's a win-win-win situation. </span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 13px; ">Let me know if there's something you think we could be doing better.</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri" style="font-size: 13px;">Thanks, </font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri" style="font-size: 13px;">David Brearley, Senior Technical Editor</font></div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri" style="font-size: 13px;">SolarPro magazine <br>NABCEP Certified PV Installer ™<br><a href="mailto:david.brearley@solarprofessional.com">david.brearley@solarprofessional.com</a><br>Direct: 541.261.6545<br></font><br></span>
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<br><div><div>On Jul 4, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Bill Loesch wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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David,<br>
<br>
Why does your editor put Todd's articles (and use him as a cover
story) in your magazines (more than once, I believe) if it is not
for his <u>_experience_</u>? <br>
<br>
The fact that there is a prescribed product (more than one in this
case) that gets blessed when old fashioned, time tested,
craftsmanship has already solved the problem is a testament to
what payola will buy. No leak, no negligence, no claim. But then
your magazines wouldn't garner such a big advertizing budget
without all those manufacturers with new and "improved" products.
Additionally, this List would perhaps have to find alternative
funding, too. <br>
<br>
If you are really interested in eliminating the "irresponsible,
fly-by-night, subsidy chasers" one easy way may be to eliminate
the subsidy.
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Bill Loesch
Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar
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On 04-Jul-12 10:07 AM, David Brearley wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:5066259F-6C56-4092-8E4C-01EBC05E8816@solarprofessional.com" type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:
13px;" face="Calibri"> Todd,</font>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;" face="Calibri"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;" face="Calibri">The issue isn't whether your approach works,
but whether it is defensible in the event that something
leaks. Most solar contractors receive public funds (rebate
monies, ARRA program distributions, etc.). Some of those
companies are installing systems in a manner that is not
building code compliant. It just takes a high profile leaky
roof at a VA hospital or a public housing project where a
solar system was installed in a manner that does not meet the
building code to lose years of goodwill and support for the
industry. </font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 13px; ">Modules prices
have fallen quite a bit, but we all loose if State and Federal
or public (opinion) support for the industry goes away. </span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri;
font-size: 13px; "><br>
</span></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">Obviously,
that's the worst case scenario: That somehow the industry
gets painted as being made up of a bunch of irresponsible,
fly-by-night, subsidy chasers. Probably nothing to worry
about, though. I'm pretty sure there's no precedence for
that sort of thing actually happening. Right?</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br>
</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">What's
more likely is that AHJs will get hip to the fact that they
need to inspect the building code compliance of roof
attachments. When they do, which side of the curve will your
company be on? (Since your mind seems to be made up, Todd,
that question is addressed to List at large.)</span></font></div>
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<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">Happy
Independence Day,</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br>
</span></font></div>
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<div>On Jul 3, 2012, at 10:37 PM, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:toddcory@finestplanet.com">toddcory@finestplanet.com</a>
wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top:
0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px;
padding-left: 0px; ">i wasn't going to enter into this
discussion, but this posting prompted me. <br>
<br>
my most recent job was done with the assistance of the
customer. he and i have a long working history, my
being his employee some 25 years ago installing shw
systems in the area, and now he hiring me to do his
personal home's pv system.</div><p style="margin:0;padding:0;"> </p>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top:
0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px;
padding-left: 0px; ">he insisted on straight L foot
mounting <span style="text-decoration: underline;">without
flashings</span>... and i have to agree. in the 25
to 30 years since we did those shw systems, not a
single one has leaked. plus, the installation was at
the roof ridgeline, so pv quick mounts wouldn't have
worked anyway. we put 2 X 8 blocking in the attic
between the trusses to acomodate the mounting bolts
and used a nice fattie gob of black silicone on each
foot, which gooshed out when tightened. the mount will
easily outlast the roof... leak free.</div><p style="margin:0;padding:0;"> </p>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top:
0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px;
padding-left: 0px; ">honestly, i don't care what the
ubc/ibs says. <span style="font-size: 14pt;">if done
properly,</span><span style="font-size: 14pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 14pt;">these kinds of mounts are
bombproof. years of experience backs this up. also,
</span><span style="font-size: 14pt;">i have seen
plenty of 'code compliant' oatey no-caulk sewer vent
flashings with rotten rubber leaking into homes to
know flashed penetrations are no panacea either.</span></div><p style="margin:0;padding:0;"> </p>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top:
0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px;
padding-left: 0px; ">todd</div><p style="margin:0;padding:0;"> </p><p style="margin:0;padding:0;"> </p><p style="margin:0;padding:0;"> </p><p style="margin:0;padding:0;"> </p><p style="margin:0;padding:0;"> </p><p style="margin:0;padding:0;"> </p>
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margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top:
0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px;
padding-left: 0px; ">On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 2:53pm,
"David Brearley" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:david.brearley@solarprofessional.com">david.brearley@solarprofessional.com</a>>
said:<br>
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<div id="SafeStyles1341372106">
<div><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family:
Cambria;">+1 on the use of structural screws. We
ran an article about lag screws a couple years
ago:</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family:
Cambria;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://solarprofessional.com/article/?file=SP3_4_pg70_Shelly"><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Cambria;">http://solarprofessional.com/article/?file=SP3_4_pg70_Shelly</span></a></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family:
Cambria;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family:
Cambria;">One of the things that surprised me when
I read this manuscript is how variable lag screws
are in terms of construction and quality. Besides
the convenience of being able to drive a
structural screw without a pilot hole, the
engineering specs are likely better documented and
the manufacturing tolerances are probably tighter
as well. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family:
Cambria;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family:
Cambria;">FWIW: I think that using unflashed
attachments in these litigious times is unwise.
It's not consistent with best practices in the
construction industry. It does not meet building
codes. It violates the roof warranty. It makes
your competition look good. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family:
Cambria;"><br>
</span></div>
<div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family:
Cambria;">We ran our first article on this topic
4 years ago, in our inaugural issue of SolarPro
magazine:</span></div>
</div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family:
Cambria;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://solarprofessional.com/article/?file=SP1_1_pg72_Fain"><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Cambria;">http://solarprofessional.com/article/?file=SP1_1_pg72_Fain</span></a></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family:
Cambria;"><br>
</span></div>
<div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family:
Cambria;">The industry has come a long way since
then, both in terms of awareness and in terms of
off-the-shelf flashed attachment options. There
are so many quality flashed attachment solutions
to chose from now that I'm not sure why anyone
would knowingly expose themselves to a
possible construction negligence claim.</span></div>
</div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family:
Cambria;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family:
Cambria;">Drive straight,</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family:
Cambria;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family:
Cambria;">David Brearley, Senior Technical Editor</span></div>
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<div>On Jul 3, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Garrison Riegel
wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right:
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navy; font-family: Arial; font-size:
10pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;">The
EcoFasten GF1 flashing is easy to
install on a retrofit and will not
necessarily add any height to the rail.
If you do need to trim the flashings
installed around the skylight, then I
would recommend adding sealant to these
penetrations. We ditch the included lag
and use a 5/16” GRK RSS (self tapping
structural screw). The combination
works great and does not require a pilot
hole.</span></span></div>
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navy; font-family: Arial; font-size:
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font-family: Arial; color: navy;">“</span></span>There
is no room for flashings. The L feet will go
very close to the skylights and the flashing
would hit the edge of them. Plus there is an
existing array that was done by another
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