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<br><div><div>On Jun 22, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Jason Lerner wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hello August,<br><br>Would you be willing to post the website URL for the vertical axis wind turbines to the list when it becomes available? It would be great for potential vertical axis owners (and installers) to see.<br><br>Thank you,<br><br>Jason Lerner<br><br>Waldron Power and Light Co.<br><br>On Jun 22, 2012, at 8:01 AM, August Goers wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Hi All Wind Wrenches,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We have 5 turbines recently installed in the Golden Gate National park<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">land in San Francisco. They are small 1 kW vertical axis units - I was not<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">happy about installing vertical axis but that was what the client wanted.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The good news is that each turbine is being monitored for output versus<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">wind speed so we can see how they're really performing.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Anyway, the point of this post is to mention that they are doing an<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">official National Parks-sponsored bird kill study on the site. Someone<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">walks out with a clipboard every day to check for birds or other animals.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">So far we've only had two stuck kites (it's a very public location!).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">If you're interested here's a brief video:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DzdW34z3iA">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DzdW34z3iA</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">There will also be a website going live hopefully soon where you can see<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the live monitored output of each turbine. We also have 28 kWs of PV on<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the building. I can tell you all right now that in terms of cost per<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Watt-hr generated that PV is WAY cheaper. With PV prices going down the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">way they have I think small wind of any type is going to have a hard time<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">competing unless it is in a very special location.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Best,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">August<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-----Original Message-----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: <a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:roy@four-winds-energy.com">roy@four-winds-energy.com</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:38 AM<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: RE-wrenches<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Wind Turbines killing birds and bats<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">And for more fact sheets on small and distributed wind, check out the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Distributed Wind Energy Association at:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.distributedwind.org/">www.distributedwind.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">It is definitely just another talking point against wind energy. Of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">course large wind developments should be aware of migratory patterns.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">AWEA and DWEA both have good resources for debunking the myths. For<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">those of you interested:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Great Fact Sheet, by Mick Sagrillo<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.renewwisconsin.org/wind/Toolbox-Fact%20Sheets/birds/Birds-F">http://www.renewwisconsin.org/wind/Toolbox-Fact%20Sheets/birds/Birds-F</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">oE%20fact%20sheet%202007.pdf<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Small Wind Toolbox for debunking other myths<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.renewwisconsin.org/wind/windtoolbox.htm">http://www.renewwisconsin.org/wind/windtoolbox.htm</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From AWEA (American Wind Energy Assoc.):<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">"Birds and wind turbines: While birds do collide with wind turbines<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">at some sites, modern wind power plants are collectively far less<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">harmful to birds than are radio towers, tall buildings, airplanes,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">vehicles and numerous other manmade objects. The National Academy of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Sciences estimated in 2006 that wind power is responsible for less<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">than 0.003% (3 of every<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">100,000) of bird deaths caused by humans and pets."<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Ryan Harkins<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer /<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Project Manager<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Synergy Renewable Systems, LLC<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">PO Box 58<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Stoughton, WI 53589<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">PH: 608-712-7862<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:ryan.harkins@energycraft.com">ryan.harkins@energycraft.com</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.energycraft.com/">www.energycraft.com</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Jun 21, 2012, at 10:29 PM, Solarguy wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">By some estimates, outdoor cats in the United States kill more than 1<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">million birds every day on average. Other studies suggest the death<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">toll is as high as 1 billion per year.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://blog.nwf.org/2011/03/new-studies-highlight-impact-of-outdoor-c">http://blog.nwf.org/2011/03/new-studies-highlight-impact-of-outdoor-c</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">ats-on-birds-and-other-wildlife/<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Jim Duncan<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From: <a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Drake<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 5:18 PM<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To: RE-wrenches<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Subject: [RE-wrenches] Wind Turbines killing birds and bats<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hello Wrenches,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">A very knowledgeable friend has concern about wind turbines killing<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">birds and bats, and sent me these links. From previous posts on this<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">list and information I've heard elsewhere, I thought this really<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">wasn't much of an issue, more of a red herring by those who are<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">opposed to wind energy.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.batsandwind.org/pdf/baerwald%20et%20al%20current%20biology">http://www.batsandwind.org/pdf/baerwald%20et%20al%20current%20biology</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">%202008.pdf<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://coalicionventanasverraco.org/files/horn_et_al_2008.pdf">http://coalicionventanasverraco.org/files/horn_et_al_2008.pdf</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.batsandwind.org/main.asp?page=research&sub=operational">http://www.batsandwind.org/main.asp?page=research&sub=operational</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090928095347.htm">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090928095347.htm</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/collisions/pdf/wind_rulema">http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/collisions/pdf/wind_rulema</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">king_petition.pdf<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_wind_power">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_wind_power</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">How much of an issue is this really? Can we put the danger into<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">perspective? Does this kill more bats and birds than the pollution<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">it displaces?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Thanks,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Drake<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Drake Chamberlin<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote 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