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    Roy and all,<br>
    While I appreciate the dialogue that my request has generated, not a
    single post has addressed my question. So I'll give it one more try:
    What kind of runtime hours have you seen with the Kohler 8.5 RMY?<br>
    <br>
    Also, in a recent Home Power "Ask the Experts" column, I spoke
    positively about the new Generac "EcoGen" 6 kW model as a
    well-designed and well-engineered unit specifically for off-grid
    residential applications. It's quite different from their mainstream
    models, designed specifically to hold up under off-grid usage.
    Having been involved with this list since about 2000, you can bet I
    have read plenty negative about Generac over the years. So both the
    Home Power recommendation and a previous post speaking positively
    about it were carefully considered before they went out (my wording
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      has
      caused me to favorably reconsider Generac for your type of
      application</span>"). I have had one of these units in my own off
    grid home for about a year, and am quite favorably impressed with
    it. It has to date performed without flaw, has very good built-in
    diagnostics and a record of usage history, and runs cool and quiet.
    So I am encouraging those who have had bad experiences with Generac
    to take another look at this particular model. We have needed this
    on the market for several years now, ever since the generator
    manufacturers began focusing on "home standby" as the next growth
    market.<br>
    Allan<br>
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      <small><a href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com"><font
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          Installer<br>
          NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<br>
          New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br>
          <b>Positive Energy, Inc.</b><br>
          3201 Calle Marie<br>
          Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507<br>
          <b>505 424-1112</b><br>
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    <br>
    On 4/4/2012 1:20 PM, Roy Butler wrote:
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      Roy's quote:<br>
      <br>
      "Friends don't let friends buy a Generac"<br>
      <br>
      On 4/4/2012 2:45 PM, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
        class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
        href="mailto:toddcory@finestplanet.com">toddcory@finestplanet.com</a>
      wrote:
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          <p style="margin: 0pt; padding: 0pt;">ditto that question.</p>
          <p style="margin: 0pt; padding: 0pt;"> </p>
          <p style="margin: 0pt; padding: 0pt;">i have only installed
            one genewreck... an 8 kW unit installed as grid backup. it
            sees very little use, but it is a total piece of shit.</p>
          <p style="margin: 0pt; padding: 0pt;"> </p>
          <p style="margin: 0pt; padding: 0pt;">i have replaced the
            starter motor casting mount twice... of course they never
            bothered to redo the poor initial design, so replacing a
            broken defective design with a non-broken defective designed
            part is just stupid, because it is designed to break.</p>
          <p style="margin: 0pt; padding: 0pt;">the voltage regulators
            have failed three times... taking out appliances in the
            customers home in the process each time.</p>
          <p style="margin: 0pt; padding: 0pt;">the battery charger
            module came miswired from the factory. i spent about 3 hours
            troubleshooting the wiring to fix it... with reimbursement
            promises from their horrible 'factory support' which never
            came.</p>
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          <p style="margin: 0pt; padding: 0pt;">i have heard similar
            horror stories from others. i will never touch or recommend
            a genewreck generator again... never ever!</p>
          <p style="margin: 0pt; padding: 0pt;"> </p>
          <p style="margin: 0pt; padding: 0pt;">beware!</p>
          <p style="margin: 0pt; padding: 0pt;"> </p>
          <p style="margin: 0pt; padding: 0pt;">todd</p>
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          <p style="margin: 0pt; padding: 0pt;">On Wednesday, April 4,
            2012 7:22am, "Dana" <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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              href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com"><dana@solarwork.com></a>
            said:<br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0pt; padding: 0pt;"><span
                  style="font-size: 14pt;">Hey Chris - I am curious how
                  the Generercs are doing I have had nothing but dead,
                  on fire, or in the shop stories from clients. I only
                  know of one, a 30 KW water cooled that is healthy to
                  this day..</span></p>
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                  style="font-size: 11pt;">Dana Orzel -  Great Solar
                  Works, Inc -  E - <strong><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                      href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com">dana@solarwork.com</a></strong>
                  -  V <strong>970.626.5253</strong></span></p>
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                  style="font-size: 11pt;">F - 970.626.4140     C -
                  970.209.4076     web - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                    href="http://www.solarwork.com">www.solarwork.com</a>
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                  style="font-size: 11pt;">"Responsible Technologies for
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                    [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                      href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
                    <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Chris Mason<br>
                    <strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, April 04, 2012
                    6:16 AM<br>
                    <strong>To:</strong> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                      href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com">Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</a>;
                    RE-wrenches<br>
                    <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [RE-wrenches] Kohler
                    8.5 RMY question</span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0pt; padding: 0pt;">I
                installed two Kohler 12RES about five years ago, before
                we switched brands to Generac. The Kohler units had a
                couple of electrical control problems, minor issues,
                easily repaired, nothing mechanical. Residential backup
                generators are in one of two states, working, or broken.
                If it has not broken down, then it is working. End of
                story. When the break, you get a new one.</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0pt; padding:
                        0pt;">On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Allan
                        Sindelar <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:allan@positiveenergysolar.com">allan@positiveenergysolar.com</a>>

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                          padding: 0pt;">Wrenches,<br>
                          We sold and installed a few Kohler 8.5 and 11
                          RMY generators in the first half of the last
                          decade. We found over the years that followed
                          that they held up quite well, with very few
                          problems if cared for. <br>
                          <br>
                          We have a customer whose off grid system we
                          cared for for about a decade before she sold
                          her property and moved on. The buyer, with
                          whom I have never spoken, did little research
                          on the property or the PV system before
                          purchase, and is now dissatisfied with the
                          system and has sued the seller. I have been
                          asked to provide some history and guidance to
                          the seller. The system includes an 8.5 RMY
                          Kohler that, when the property was sold, had
                          about 2,000 hours on it and was working well,
                          I recall being told. The buyer has claimed,
                          among other things, that it was "old and near
                          the end of its service life."<br>
                          <br>
                          What kind of life have others seen from these
                          units, and how have they held up in your
                          experience?<br>
                          Thank you,<br>
                          Allan<span class="hoenzb"><span style="color:
                              rgb(136, 136, 136);"> </span></span></p>
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                              <strong>Allan Sindelar</strong><br>
                            </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color:
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                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com"
                                target="_blank"><span style="color:
                                  rgb(0, 0, 153);">Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</span></a></span><span
                              style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"><br>
                            </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color:
                              rgb(136, 136, 136);">NABCEP Certified
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                              <strong>Positive Energy, Inc.</strong><br>
                              3201 Calle Marie<br>
                              Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507<br>
                              <strong><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="tel:505%20424-1112"
                                  target="_blank">505 424-1112</a></strong><br>
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