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    "Friends don't let friends buy a Generac"<br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Roy Butler
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Although no trees were killed in the sending of this message, 
a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

                
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    On 4/4/2012 2:45 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:toddcory@finestplanet.com">toddcory@finestplanet.com</a> wrote:
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        <p style="margin:0;padding:0;">ditto that question.</p>
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        <p style="margin:0;padding:0;">i have only installed one
          genewreck... an 8 kW unit installed as grid backup. it sees
          very little use, but it is a total piece of shit.</p>
        <p style="margin:0;padding:0;"> </p>
        <p style="margin:0;padding:0;">i have replaced the starter motor
          casting mount twice... of course they never bothered to redo
          the poor initial design, so replacing a broken defective
          design with a non-broken defective designed part is just
          stupid, because it is designed to break.</p>
        <p style="margin:0;padding:0;">the voltage regulators have
          failed three times... taking out appliances in the customers
          home in the process each time.</p>
        <p style="margin:0;padding:0;">the battery charger module came
          miswired from the factory. i spent about 3 hours
          troubleshooting the wiring to fix it... with reimbursement
          promises from their horrible 'factory support' which never
          came.</p>
        <p style="margin:0;padding:0;"> </p>
        <p style="margin:0;padding:0;">i have heard similar horror
          stories from others. i will never touch or recommend a
          genewreck generator again... never ever!</p>
        <p style="margin:0;padding:0;"> </p>
        <p style="margin:0;padding:0;">beware!</p>
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        <p style="margin:0;padding:0;">todd</p>
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        <p style="margin:0;padding:0;">On Wednesday, April 4, 2012
          7:22am, "Dana" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com"><dana@solarwork.com></a> said:<br>
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                curious how the Generercs are doing I have had nothing
                but dead, on fire, or in the shop stories from clients.
                I only know of one, a 30 KW water cooled that is healthy
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                Great Solar Works, Inc -  E - <strong><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com">dana@solarwork.com</a></strong>
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                  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
                  [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <strong>On
                    Behalf Of </strong>Chris Mason<br>
                  <strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, April 04, 2012 6:16
                  AM<br>
                  <strong>To:</strong> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com">Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</a>;
                  RE-wrenches<br>
                  <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [RE-wrenches] Kohler 8.5
                  RMY question</span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;padding:0;">I installed
              two Kohler 12RES about five years ago, before we switched
              brands to Generac. The Kohler units had a couple of
              electrical control problems, minor issues, easily
              repaired, nothing mechanical. Residential backup
              generators are in one of two states, working, or broken.
              If it has not broken down, then it is working. End of
              story. When the break, you get a new one.</p>
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                      Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Allan Sindelar <<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:allan@positiveenergysolar.com">allan@positiveenergysolar.com</a>>
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                        We sold and installed a few Kohler 8.5 and 11
                        RMY generators in the first half of the last
                        decade. We found over the years that followed
                        that they held up quite well, with very few
                        problems if cared for. <br>
                        <br>
                        We have a customer whose off grid system we
                        cared for for about a decade before she sold her
                        property and moved on. The buyer, with whom I
                        have never spoken, did little research on the
                        property or the PV system before purchase, and
                        is now dissatisfied with the system and has sued
                        the seller. I have been asked to provide some
                        history and guidance to the seller. The system
                        includes an 8.5 RMY Kohler that, when the
                        property was sold, had about 2,000 hours on it
                        and was working well, I recall being told. The
                        buyer has claimed, among other things, that it
                        was "old and near the end of its service life."<br>
                        <br>
                        What kind of life have others seen from these
                        units, and how have they held up in your
                        experience?<br>
                        Thank you,<br>
                        Allan<span class="hoenzb"><span style="color:
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                            <strong>Allan Sindelar</strong><br>
                          </span><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; color:
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