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"Friends don't let friends buy a Generac"<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Roy Butler
NABCEP Certified Small Wind Installer®
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®
NYSERDA eligible PV & wind installer
Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC
8902 Route 46, Arkport, NY 14807
607-324-9747 <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.four-winds-energy.com">www.four-winds-energy.com</a>
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On 4/4/2012 2:45 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:toddcory@finestplanet.com">toddcory@finestplanet.com</a> wrote:
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<p style="margin:0;padding:0;">ditto that question.</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0;"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0;">i have only installed one
genewreck... an 8 kW unit installed as grid backup. it sees
very little use, but it is a total piece of shit.</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0;"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0;">i have replaced the starter motor
casting mount twice... of course they never bothered to redo
the poor initial design, so replacing a broken defective
design with a non-broken defective designed part is just
stupid, because it is designed to break.</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0;">the voltage regulators have
failed three times... taking out appliances in the customers
home in the process each time.</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0;">the battery charger module came
miswired from the factory. i spent about 3 hours
troubleshooting the wiring to fix it... with reimbursement
promises from their horrible 'factory support' which never
came.</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0;"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0;">i have heard similar horror
stories from others. i will never touch or recommend a
genewreck generator again... never ever!</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0;"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0;">beware!</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0;"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0;">todd</p>
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<p style="margin:0;padding:0;">On Wednesday, April 4, 2012
7:22am, "Dana" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com"><dana@solarwork.com></a> said:<br>
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curious how the Generercs are doing I have had nothing
but dead, on fire, or in the shop stories from clients.
I only know of one, a 30 KW water cooled that is healthy
to this day..</span></p>
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- V <strong>970.626.5253</strong></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <strong>On
Behalf Of </strong>Chris Mason<br>
<strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, April 04, 2012 6:16
AM<br>
<strong>To:</strong> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com">Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</a>;
RE-wrenches<br>
<strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [RE-wrenches] Kohler 8.5
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;padding:0;">I installed
two Kohler 12RES about five years ago, before we switched
brands to Generac. The Kohler units had a couple of
electrical control problems, minor issues, easily
repaired, nothing mechanical. Residential backup
generators are in one of two states, working, or broken.
If it has not broken down, then it is working. End of
story. When the break, you get a new one.</p>
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We sold and installed a few Kohler 8.5 and 11
RMY generators in the first half of the last
decade. We found over the years that followed
that they held up quite well, with very few
problems if cared for. <br>
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We have a customer whose off grid system we
cared for for about a decade before she sold her
property and moved on. The buyer, with whom I
have never spoken, did little research on the
property or the PV system before purchase, and
is now dissatisfied with the system and has sued
the seller. I have been asked to provide some
history and guidance to the seller. The system
includes an 8.5 RMY Kohler that, when the
property was sold, had about 2,000 hours on it
and was working well, I recall being told. The
buyer has claimed, among other things, that it
was "old and near the end of its service life."<br>
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What kind of life have others seen from these
units, and how have they held up in your
experience?<br>
Thank you,<br>
Allan<span class="hoenzb"><span style="color:
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