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<DIV>Years ago I had my 15 minutes of fame on the old TechTV network’s show The
Screensavers talking about PV and solar energy and got that question at the end
of the show. I had just looked up that info and remember that while it
varies with manufacturer the numbers for embedded energy recovery for a typical
PV panel were in the 2-4 year range. That was in 2002 so with the advent
of larger panels it may even be less now then it was then. I don’t have a
link but I’m sure Home Power has done any number of articles on this over the
years.</DIV>
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<DIV>It’s one of those myths anti-renewable energy folks like to throw out
there.</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=benn@daystarsolar.ca
href="mailto:benn@daystarsolar.ca">benn kilburn</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:37 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">Wrenches</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] embedded energy in pv</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>I was told a few days ago that a PV module will likely never
produce the energy it took to make it.... I bit my lip, disagreed and wished i
could recall in detail what i had read in one of the reports/articles i had read
in the past on this topic. From what i can remember it is about 2-3 yrs.
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<DIV>Can someone please provide any resources you may know of on this
issue?</DIV>
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<DIV>Jim, i would love to see the power point you mention. I don't see an
attachment.</DIV>
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<DIV>Todd, could you please share where you read that info on the "1 to 4 tons
of coal..." I fully agree with you about educating customers on
energy efficiency before talking system size. ...and regarding your
'potential' customer, a couple categories come to mind for ones like that....
'you can't argue with stupid', 'ignorance is bliss' (for that person). For
that matter, i guess you could include those solar 'experts' in those categories
as well!</DIV>
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<DIV>And regarding plastic framed modules, what about hemp or corn based
plastic? (further reducing dependance on oil) They are available and used
for all kinds of things these days, why just check out the video on you tube of
Ford's recent hemp plastic car! ;) </DIV>
<DIV>Add that to the corrosion resistance factor and perhaps that is enough for
a niche market to catch on. I agree with William.</DIV>
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<DIV>Anyway, i hope to see some articles on embedded energy in pv modules.
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<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV>benn</DIV>
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:42:45 -0700<BR>From: toddcory@finestplanet.com<BR>To:
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<BR>Subject: [RE-wrenches] embedded energy in
pv<BR><BR><FONT size=4 face=arial>
<P
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recently read that it takes the equivalent energy of between 1 and 4 tons of
coal to make a single pv module. this is why i insist my customers do their
efficiency upgrades and learn how to be frugal/conserve before i will even talk
about pv with them.</P>
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<P
style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">renewables
powering waste is old paradigm thinking.</P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">consuming less is always a win win.</SPAN></P>
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<P
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">unfortunately </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">(now
that there is an incentive program) </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">the new
"solar experts" coming on the scene here make more $$ with bigger systems, so
lipstick on pigs is becoming the norm.</SPAN></P>
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<P
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">one customer wanted pv because her electric bill was
over $600.00/month or 180 kWh/day!! i said there was something wrong with a
power bill that high. maybe a duct on her heat pump had come loose and was
blowing hot air into the attic and that should be investigated first with an
energy audit. she hired another "expert" who put in a massive system.
</SPAN></P>
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<P
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">personally, i find it difficult to support this kind of
resource use.</SPAN></P>
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<P
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Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:26am, "Solarguy" <ntrei@1scom.net>
said:<BR><BR></P>
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style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px"><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">William</SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P
style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px"><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Attached is</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> a Power Point
slide</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> I
made</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">
t</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">hat</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> show</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">s</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> the 'energy payback'</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> from PV.</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us> <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">The Swiss</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><EM> <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">based</SPAN></EM></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><EM> <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">IEA Photovoltaic Power
Systems Programme</SPAN></EM></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> takes</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> <SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">a very</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> serious look at the</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us>
<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">PV industry and its</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> long term</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> effects on the
planet</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">
and</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">PV
is</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> already
pretty</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> <SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">benign</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">.</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> <SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">While I don't know the logic</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us> <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">behind</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> their calculations my first
thought is that with the volume of aluminum being extracted and produced for all
industry world</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">-wide, the impact by the PV industry is
probably</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">next
to nothing</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">.</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> </SPAN></P>
<P
style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px"><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">And using a plastic compound would
mean using a crude oil based product</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> which is</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> <SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">even a bigger</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> <SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">environmental blight th</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">a</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">n aluminum
production</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">-</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">imo</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">.</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> </SPAN></P>
<P
style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px"><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Besides,</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> with</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> the PV industr</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">ie</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">s rush to</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us> <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">lower prices someone would have
discovered a cheaper non-metallic repl</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">acement for aluminum</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us>
<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">if</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> it</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> <SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">i</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">s out there.</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> <SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Having worked for</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> many</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> years</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us> <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">in</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> the</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us> <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">composite/</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">plastics industry I can say that
the production of a substitute fiber</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> re-e</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">nforced</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> <SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">compression molded</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us>
<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">composite</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us>
<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">for PV frames would be more costly than
aluminum and most likely</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> <SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">still</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> <SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">never match the rig</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">id</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">ity</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">of aluminum.</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us> </SPAN></P>
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style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px"><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Now if the PV industry trended
back to smaller modules a 'plastic' frame could become
workable</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> but I
don't see that moving out of R&D as long as prices</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> and margins</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> are so low. And I don't see a
corrosion resistant module becoming a niche market any time
soon</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri"> unless
another "Silicon Energy" type entrepreneur decides there is a
market.</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> </SPAN></P>
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lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Jim Duncan</SPAN></SPAN></P>
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Message-----<BR>From: re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org [<A
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>]
On Behalf Of William Miller<BR>Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:13 PM<BR>To:
RE-wrenches<BR>Cc: 'RE-wrenches'<BR>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Installations in
High Salt Spray Environments</SPAN></SPAN></P>
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lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Marco:</SPAN></SPAN></P>
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lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Are we in need of a new generation
of PV modules with plastic frames? How about frame-less modules on
recycled plastic racking? What is the energy cost for aluminum frame
modules versus plastic or recycled plastic? What is the energy cost of
anodizing aluminum frames and racking?</SPAN></SPAN></P>
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lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">There is a need here folks, that
is not being filled. Entrepreneurs, where are you?</SPAN></SPAN></P>
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lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">William
Miller</SPAN></SPAN></P><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">At 06:51 PM 3/14/2012, Marco
Mangelsdorf wrote:</SPAN></SPAN></P>
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lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">>Living here in the middle of
the big Blue Pacific Ocean where one is </SPAN></SPAN></P>
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lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">>never all that far from the
ocean, I really question how well any metal </SPAN></SPAN></P>
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lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">>is going to hold up over time,
no matter what the warranty says.</SPAN></SPAN></P>
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here parts.</SPAN></SPAN></P>
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don’t put yourselves at risk by </SPAN></SPAN></P>
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lang=en-us><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri">>providing anything more than
the modco’s factory warranty.</SPAN></SPAN></P>
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