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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><a href="http://www.ecotopia.com/apollo2/pvepbtoz.htm">http://www.ecotopia.com/apollo2/pvepbtoz.htm</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>Not that I believe everything on the web but check this out.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>Dana Orzel<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>Great Solar works, Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>E - dana@solarwork.com<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>V - 970.626.5253<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>F - 970.626.414<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>C - 970.209.4076<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>benn kilburn<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> Wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] embedded energy in pv<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Never mind Jim, i found the attachment in your original post, under a different 'subject' title.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>benn <br><br></span><span class=ecxecxecxecxecapple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"'Franklin Gothic Medium'","serif";color:#002060'>DayStar Renewable Energy Inc. </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"'Franklin Gothic Medium'","serif"'>benn@daystarsolar.ca</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"'Franklin Gothic Medium'","serif"'>780-906-7807 </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"'Franklin Gothic Medium'","serif"'>HAVE A SUNNY DAY </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center id=stopSpelling></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From: benn@daystarsolar.ca<br>To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br>Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:37:41 -0600<br>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] embedded energy in pv<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I was told a few days ago that a PV module will likely never produce the energy it took to make it.... I bit my lip, disagreed and wished i could recall in detail what i had read in one of the reports/articles i had read in the past on this topic. From what i can remember it is about 2-3 yrs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Can someone please provide any resources you may know of on this issue?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Jim, i would love to see the power point you mention. I don't see an attachment.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Todd, could you please share where you read that info on the "1 to 4 tons of coal..." I fully agree with you about educating customers on energy efficiency before talking system size. ...and regarding your 'potential' customer, a couple categories come to mind for ones like that.... 'you can't argue with stupid', 'ignorance is bliss' (for that person). For that matter, i guess you could include those solar 'experts' in those categories as well!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>And regarding plastic framed modules, what about hemp or corn based plastic? (further reducing dependance on oil) They are available and used for all kinds of things these days, why just check out the video on you tube of Ford's recent hemp plastic car! ;) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Add that to the corrosion resistance factor and perhaps that is enough for a niche market to catch on. I agree with William.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Anyway, i hope to see some articles on embedded energy in pv modules. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>benn<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br></span><span class=ecxecxecxecxecapple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"'Franklin Gothic Medium'","serif";color:#002060'>DayStar Renewable Energy Inc.</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"'Franklin Gothic Medium'","serif"'>benn@daystarsolar.ca</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"'Franklin Gothic Medium'","serif"'>780-906-7807 </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"'Franklin Gothic Medium'","serif"'>HAVE A SUNNY DAY </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center id=ecxstopSpelling></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:42:45 -0700<br>From: toddcory@finestplanet.com<br>To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br>Subject: [RE-wrenches] embedded energy in pv</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>i recently read that it takes the equivalent energy of between 1 and 4 tons of coal to make a single pv module. this is why i insist my customers do their efficiency upgrades and learn how to be frugal/conserve before i will even talk about pv with them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>renewables powering waste is old paradigm thinking.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>consuming less is always a win win.</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>unfortunately (now that there is an incentive program) the new "solar experts" coming on the scene here make more $$ with bigger systems, so lipstick on pigs is becoming the norm.</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>one customer wanted pv because her electric bill was over $600.00/month or 180 kWh/day!! i said there was something wrong with a power bill that high. maybe a duct on her heat pump had come loose and was blowing hot air into the attic and that should be investigated first with an energy audit. she hired another "expert" who put in a massive system. </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>personally, i find it difficult to support this kind of resource use.</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>todd<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>On Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:26am, "Solarguy" <ntrei@1scom.net> said:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=ecxSafeStyles1331839643><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>William</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Attached is a Power Point slide I made that shows the 'energy payback' from PV.</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The Swiss</span><em><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></em><em><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>based</span></em><em><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></em><em><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>IEA Photovoltaic Power Systems Programme</span></em><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> takes</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>a very serious look at the</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>PV industry and its long term effects on the planet and</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>PV is already pretty</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>benign.</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>While I don't know the logic</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>behind their calculations my first thought is that with the volume of aluminum being extracted and produced for all industry world-wide, the impact by the PV industry is probably</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>next to nothing.</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>And using a plastic compound would mean using a crude oil based product which is</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>even a bigger</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>environmental blight than aluminum production-imo.</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Besides, with the PV industries rush to</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>lower prices someone would have discovered a cheaper non-metallic replacement for aluminum</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>if it</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>is out there.</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Having worked for many years</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>in the</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>composite/plastics industry I can say that the production of a substitute fiber re-enforced</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>compression molded</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>composite</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>for PV frames would be more costly than aluminum and most likely</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>still</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>never match the rigidity of aluminum.</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Now if the PV industry trended back to smaller modules a 'plastic' frame could become workable but I don't see that moving out of R&D as long as prices and margins are so low. And I don't see a corrosion resistant module becoming a niche market any time soon unless another "Silicon Energy" type entrepreneur decides there is a market.</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Jim Duncan</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>****</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org [<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] On Behalf Of William Miller<br>Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:13 PM<br>To: RE-wrenches<br>Cc: 'RE-wrenches'<br>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Installations in High Salt Spray Environments</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Marco:</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Are we in need of a new generation of PV modules with plastic frames? How about frame-less modules on recycled plastic racking? What is the energy cost for aluminum frame modules versus plastic or recycled plastic? What is the energy cost of anodizing aluminum frames and racking?</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>There is a need here folks, that is not being filled. Entrepreneurs, where are you?</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>William Miller</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>At 06:51 PM 3/14/2012, Marco Mangelsdorf wrote:</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>>Living here in the middle of the big Blue Pacific Ocean where one is </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>>never all that far from the ocean, I really question how well any metal </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>>is going to hold up over time, no matter what the warranty says.</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>>Even stainless rusts in these here parts.</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>>Installer beware and for sure don’t put yourselves at risk by </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>>providing anything more than the modco’s factory warranty.</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>>marco</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span 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