<html><head><base href="x-msg://97/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Ken,<div><br></div><div>Interesting. Do you know if Deka has more than one manufacturing plant? </div><div><br></div><div>My Deka representative did respond. Perhaps I could have expressed this better: the response was "they are out of warranty". I knew that. However, due to the number of Deka battery failures we were experiencing, I would have expected something more than "no warranty". They did replace one 8D that failed at 13 months. Thanks Deka.<div><br></div><div>During the last few years that we sold and installed the Deka AGM's, we also sold Lifeline, Sun Xtender, Trojan, Optima and FullRiver. We sold 3 times as many Lifeline as we did Deka. Zero failures form any other brand.</div><div><br></div><div>I have a customer coming in today that has 2 8D AGM's. I installed these 11 months ago. His complaint is that the voltage will drop to 11.5 within 5 hours of use. I'll let you know what I find.<br><div><div>
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<br><div><div>On Feb 9, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Ken Schaal wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><font color="#008000" size="4" face="Arial">We have used Deka wet and sealed, AGM and Gel, since 1999 and never had a premature failure.</font></div><div><font color="#008000" size="4" face="Arial">I have a set of 8D AGM's in my own system.</font></div><div><font color="#008000" size="4" face="Arial">The local factory warehouse is responsive to our needs.</font></div><div><font color="#008000" size="4" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font color="#008000" size="4" face="Arial">Ken Schaal</font></div><div><font color="#008000" size="4" face="Arial">CommonWealth Solar</font></div><blockquote style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 128, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="larry@starlightsolar.com" href="mailto:larry@starlightsolar.com">Larry Crutcher,Starlight Solar Power Systems</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="hathasolar@yahoo.com" href="mailto:hathasolar@yahoo.com">wes kennedy</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, February 08, 2012 3:14 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience</div><div><br></div>Wes,<div><br></div><div>While I don't have experience with the Deka Unigy AGM's, I can tell you that we are experiencing many failures of the 4D, 8D and other 6 and 12 volt Deka AGM batteries. The company will not respond to the problems so we will never sell another Deka or MK (made by Deka) AGM battery.<br><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="widows: 2; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; border-collapse: separate; font: normal normal normal medium/normal Helvetica; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="widows: 2; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; border-collapse: separate; font: normal normal normal medium/normal Helvetica; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="widows: 2; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; border-collapse: separate; font: normal normal normal medium/normal Helvetica; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">Larry Crutcher</div><div>Starlight Solar Power Systems</div></div></span></span><div>(928) 342-9103</div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br><div><div>On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:02 AM, wes kennedy wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; "><div><span>Howdy Gents,</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>I have a project (high altitude, off grid, 25 kw PV, 9 x SI5048's, multicluster) where I am considering two similar batteries.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>The Absolyte GP (GNB 100G17) vs the Deka Unigy II (AVR95-19). Both have similar reported Lifecycle curves, 1200-1300 cycles at 80% DOD.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Any field experience to share? The Deka seems better on paper, larger AH capacity per dollar quoted from my distributor.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Thanks!</span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>-Wes Kennedy</div><div>Solar Geek since 1996<br>303-653-3073</div></div></div><br><br></div><br></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><hr><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Home Power magazine<br><br>List Address:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Options & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List-Archive:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br><br>Check out participant bios:<br><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Home Power magazine<br><br>List Address:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Options & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List-Archive:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br><br>Check out participant bios:<br><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br></div></span></div><br></div></div></div></body></html>