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there any reason why you are not considering Surrette? I see on the list that
wrenches are talking about AGM, but I can’t imagine using them when
considering the size of your system. Their (Surrette) service has been A++. I
have several systems that are now over 10 years old and show very little sign
of aging. I love their dual containment system.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Larry Crutcher,Starlight Solar Power Systems<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 09, 2012
11:05 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches] <st1:place
w:st="on">Battery</st1:place> Experience</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Interesting. Do you know if Deka has more than one manufacturing plant? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>My Deka representative did respond. Perhaps I could have expressed this
better: the response was "they are out of warranty". I knew that.
However, due to the number of Deka battery failures we were experiencing,
I would have expected something more than "no warranty". They
did replace one 8D that failed at 13 months. Thanks Deka.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>During the last few years that we sold and installed the Deka AGM's, we
also sold Lifeline, Sun Xtender, Trojan, Optima and FullRiver. We sold 3 times
as many Lifeline as we did Deka. Zero failures form any other brand.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I have a customer coming in today that has 2 8D AGM's. I installed
these 11 months ago. His complaint is that the voltage will drop to 11.5 within
5 hours of use. I'll let you know what I find.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Larry Crutcher<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:green'>We have used Deka wet and sealed, AGM and
Gel, since 1999 and never had a premature failure.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></span><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a
href="mailto:larry@starlightsolar.com" title="larry@starlightsolar.com">Larry
Crutcher,Starlight Solar Power Systems</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><span
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></span><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a href="mailto:hathasolar@yahoo.com"
title="hathasolar@yahoo.com">wes kennedy</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>;<span
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Wednesday, February 08, 2012 3:14 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Re: [RE-wrenches] <st1:place w:st="on">Battery</st1:place>
Experience<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:Helvetica'>While I don't have experience with the Deka Unigy AGM's,
I can tell you that we are experiencing many failures of the 4D, 8D and
other 6 and 12 volt Deka AGM batteries. The company will not respond to the
problems so we will never sell another Deka or MK (made by Deka) AGM battery.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:Helvetica'>On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:02 AM, wes kennedy wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I have a
project (high altitude, off grid, 25 kw PV, 9 x SI5048's, multicluster) where I
am considering two similar batteries.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The Absolyte
GP (GNB 100G17) vs the Deka Unigy II (AVR95-19). Both have similar
reported Lifecycle curves, 1200-1300 cycles at 80% DOD.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Any field
experience to share? The Deka seems better on paper, larger AH capacity per
dollar quoted from my distributor.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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