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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Just have to chime in here about Surrette.
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We have used them almost exclusively in
the past as they seem far superior to the other batteries in their class. However,
recently we had a customer have three 2KS33PS prematurely fail in their bank
after 5 years. After swapping them out and shipping them back to Surrette,
we were told that yes indeed they were bad and at no fault of the customer. After
badgering them to follow through on their 10yr (prorated) warranty they finally
relented and offered the customer a check for $40 per battery!!! Talk
about pro-rated! Thus they figured these batteries were only worth ~3% of
what they originally cost 5 years prior. We were offered more from the
battery recycler.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We were pretty bummed about this as was
our customer. It would be nice if battery companies were forced to
list their pro-rating chart with their warranty statements. We will
probably continue to sell them while at the same time looking for other options
and taking their 10 year warranty with a grain of salt.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=ArialMT><span style='font-size:
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™<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy'>Oasis Montana
Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:black;font-weight:bold'>, Certified Solar PV Installer</span></font></b><b><font
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Chris Schaefer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 09, 2012
9:28 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'RE-wrenches'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches] <st1:place
w:st="on">Battery</st1:place> Experience</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Is there any reason why you are not considering Surrette? I see on the list
that wrenches are talking about AGM, but I can’t imagine using them when
considering the size of your system. Their (Surrette) service has been A++. I
have several systems that are now over 10 years old and show very little sign
of aging. I love their dual containment system.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Larry Crutcher,<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Star</st1:PersonName>light Solar Power Systems<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 09, 2012
11:05 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches] <st1:place
w:st="on">Battery</st1:place> Experience</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Ken,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Interesting. Do you know if Deka has more than one manufacturing
plant? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>My Deka representative did respond. Perhaps I could have expressed this
better: the response was "they are out of warranty". I knew that.
However, due to the number of Deka battery failures we were experiencing,
I would have expected something more than "no warranty". They
did replace one 8D that failed at 13 months. Thanks Deka.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>During the last few years that we sold and installed the Deka AGM's, we
also sold Lifeline, Sun Xtender, Trojan, Optima and FullRiver. We sold 3 times
as many Lifeline as we did Deka. Zero failures form any other brand.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I have a customer coming in today that has 2 8D AGM's. I installed
these 11 months ago. His complaint is that the voltage will drop to 11.5 within
5 hours of use. I'll let you know what I find.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Larry Crutcher<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=4 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Star</span></font></st1:PersonName><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Feb 9, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Ken Schaal wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=green face=Arial><span style='font-size:
13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:green'>We have used Deka wet and sealed, AGM and
Gel, since 1999 and never had a premature failure.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=green face=Arial><span style='font-size:
13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:green'>I have a set of 8D AGM's in my own
system.</span></font><font size=4 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=green face=Arial><span style='font-size:
13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:green'>The local factory warehouse is responsive
to our needs.</span></font><font size=4 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=green face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message -----<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></span><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a
href="mailto:larry@starlightsolar.com" title="larry@starlightsolar.com">Larry
Crutcher,Starlight Solar Power Systems</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><span
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></span><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a href="mailto:hathasolar@yahoo.com"
title="hathasolar@yahoo.com">wes kennedy</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>;<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
title="re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><span
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></span><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Wednesday, February 08, 2012 3:14 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Re: [RE-wrenches] <st1:place w:st="on">Battery</st1:place>
Experience<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:Helvetica'>While I don't have experience with the Deka Unigy AGM's,
I can tell you that we are experiencing many failures of the 4D, 8D and other
6 and 12 volt Deka AGM batteries. The company will not respond to the problems
so we will never sell another Deka or MK (made by Deka) AGM battery.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Larry Crutcher<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Solar Power Systems<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
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project (high altitude, off grid, 25 kw PV, 9 x SI5048's, multicluster) where I
am considering two similar batteries.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The Absolyte
GP (GNB 100G17) vs the Deka Unigy II (AVR95-19). Both have similar
reported Lifecycle curves, 1200-1300 cycles at 80% DOD.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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experience to share? The Deka seems better on paper, larger AH capacity per
dollar quoted from my distributor.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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