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    On 1/17/2012 4:18 PM, benn kilburn wrote:
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        boB,
        <div>If this concept were to become a working option for the
          Classic, would the modules have to be modified in any way?
           Why are the diodes not blocking the reverse current?</div>
        <div>benn<br>
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    No mods.  However, as you can see, if the controller is maxed out as
    far as<br>
    array size, that could limit the snow melting effect.   I don't have
    any hard<br>
    data as for the minimum power needed to apply to the array for snow
    melting,<br>
    but it could be around twice the power to melt snow as the power
    rating of<br>
    the array.   Yesterday's experiment was less than 2wice the power
    rating<br>
    and it may have been fine with with even less, so that's a very good
    sign.<br>
    <br>
    How much power does it take to melt snow off of a car's rear window
    from<br>
    the electric defroster ?  It's a similar kind thing.<br>
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    Diodes ??  You mean the bypass diodes ??   No problem.  Those don't<br>
    conduct in this case.<br>
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            <hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:14:36 -0800<br>
            From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:boB@midnitesolar.com">boB@midnitesolar.com</a><br>
            To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br>
            Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Shedding ice<br>
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            On 1/16/2012 11:39 AM, David Katz wrote:
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mark,<br>
                I believe the Midnite Classic has this feature built in.
                Check with them.<br>
                David Katz</font><br>
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            It just snowed up here in Arlington, Washington A.C.  and we
            were just starting to melt some snow<br>
            on a couple of modules on our roof just now with one of our
            charge controllers here in the lab.<br>
            <br>
            This feature is not yet in the Classic, BUT, check out this
            experiment that I did about 3 years ago<br>
            in my front yard with an animated gif time lapse.<br>
            <br>
            One module is being powered and the other is not powered,
            just sitting there for comparison.<br>
            These are KC125s.<br>
            <br>
            The time involved here was about 3 hours and took about 1
            kW-hour of energy but gives you<br>
            an idea of what may be done with this idea.  One thing not
            in our favor here is that the module<br>
            that is being powered is resting on the ground, in the snow,
            which would significantly<br>
            hinder snow melting I would think rather than being properly
            mounted.<br>
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            Oh what fun it is to melt some PV snow tonight !<br>
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                  <b>Sent</b>: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:00 AM<br>
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                  <b>Subject</b>: [RE-wrenches] Shedding ice <br>
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                      style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I
                      recall a conversation a while back about the
                      possibility of “reversing” the current in a solar
                      module to increase the cell temp enough to shed
                      ice/rime.  To follow-up, has anybody been
                      successful at this?  I am guessing, if so, it
                      would entail, removal of diodes, increasing PV and
                      battery capacity and some way to sense the ice at
                      the very least. . . It sounds good in theory, but
                      I am skeptical as to whether it will work in
                      reality. . .</span></font></p>
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