<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">You beat me to that one, Kent. Also, if your VRLA battery is emitting any gas, you've got trouble. <div><div>
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<br><div><div>On Jan 5, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Kent Osterberg wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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John,<br>
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Could you clarify units? "0.418 Liters/AH" is that per charge cycle?
per hour? per minute? per cell?<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Kent Osterberg
Blue Mountain Solar, Inc.
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On 1/5/2012 4:18 PM, John DeBoever wrote:
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Wrenches,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">Here are
some very general guidelines on the subject for
consideration:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><b><span style="color:#0070C0">Free flow ventilation is required
within lead acid battery room / enclosure:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">Batteries
produce Hydrogen during charge, depending on the specific
design and application<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">The gassing
appears approximately around 80%-90% SOC, depending on the
specific design and application<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">The amount
of gassing increase with the battery ageing<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hydrogen
becomes explosive at a concentration of 4%<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hydrogen
levels must be kept below 1% or 2% percent<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">Flooded
batteries typically produce .418 Liters/AH of Hydrogen at
STC, depending on the specific design and application<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">VRLA
batteries typically produce .004 to .013 Liters/AH of
Hydrogen at STC, depending on the specific design and
application<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1
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help one spot trouble signs if they appear and avoid
problems associated with grime.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">1. Check
that all vent caps are tightly in place.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">2. Clean the
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soda and water. When cleaning, do not allow any cleaning
solution, or other foreign matter to get inside the battery.
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with water and dry with a clean cloth.
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">4. Clean
battery terminals and the inside of cable clamps using a
post and clamp cleaner. Clean terminals will have a bright
metallic shine.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">5. Reconnect
the clamps to the terminals and thinly coat them with
petroleum jelly (Vaseline) to prevent corrosion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">6. Keep the
area around batteries clean and dry.
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hope this
help,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">John<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">John F.
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] On Behalf
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Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 12:18 PM<br>
To: 'RE-wrenches'<br>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] battery venting; Corrosion</p><p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">I have had great luck by heating
Vaseline to the hot liquid state then brush it on all the
exposed lead and I dip the cable ends also.
<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">Doing this I have had 1 terminal that
got corroded out of several hundreds.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">That gets you a thin coat and lasts for
years.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">"Clean and tight" is nice but it gets
corroded at some point, and I hate cleaning 1 terminal or 20!<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">Later,<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">Bob Ellison<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">From:
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On Behalf Of Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:37
AM<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">To: RE-wrenches<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] battery
venting; Corrosion<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">Almost all RV's have a small, poorly
vented battery box with 4 GC2 batteries. We see corrosion all
the time. When we replace batteries, we use zinc coated copper
terminals and apply a thin layer of grease with a toothbrush
to every exposed portion of the connectors. This simple step,
with the occasional reapplication, keeps all terminals as
fresh as the day installed for many years. I am speaking from
experience of hundreds of installations.
<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">Larry Crutcher<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">Starlight Solar Power Systems<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">List sponsored by Home Power magazine<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">List Address: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">
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