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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Kent,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thank you for pointing at the units. Please note that:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D">You are looking for cc/hr/Ah/cell rates at float and equalization voltages.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D">Gassing is a function of charging current (FLA: an ampere-hour of overcharge, i.e. during float or equalization mode, results in about 0.33 cc of H<sub>2</sub>O total gassing per cell)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D">For constant voltage (float or equalization) the current is a function of temperature and stage of battery life (plus any failure modes that begin to occur toward end-of-life)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I’ll work up a response after a series of meetings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kent Osterberg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 05, 2012 7:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] battery venting; Corrosion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">John,<br>
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Could you clarify units? "0.418 Liters/AH" is that per charge cycle? per hour? per minute? per cell?<br>
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<pre>Kent Osterberg<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Blue Mountain Solar, Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href="http://www.bluemountainsolar.com">www.bluemountainsolar.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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On 1/5/2012 4:18 PM, John DeBoever wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hello Wrenches,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">Here are some very general guidelines on the subject for consideration:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><b><span style="color:#0070C0">Free flow ventilation is required within lead acid battery room / enclosure:</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">Batteries produce Hydrogen during charge, depending on the specific design and application</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">The gassing appears approximately around 80%-90% SOC, depending on the specific design and application</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">The amount of gassing increase with the battery ageing</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hydrogen becomes explosive at a concentration of 4%</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hydrogen levels must be kept below 1% or 2% percent</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">Flooded batteries typically produce .418 Liters/AH of Hydrogen at STC, depending on the specific design and application</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">VRLA batteries typically produce .004 to .013 Liters/AH of Hydrogen at STC, depending on the specific design and application</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><b><span style="color:#0070C0">Cleaning maintenance guidelines:
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">Batteries are attract dust, dirt, and grime. Keeping them clean will help one spot trouble signs if they appear and avoid problems associated with grime.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">1. Check that all vent caps are tightly in place.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">2. Clean the battery top with a cloth or brush and a solution of baking soda and water. When cleaning, do not allow any cleaning solution, or other foreign matter to get inside the battery.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">3. Rinse with water and dry with a clean cloth.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">4. Clean battery terminals and the inside of cable clamps using a post and clamp cleaner. Clean terminals will have a bright metallic shine.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">5. Reconnect the clamps to the terminals and thinly coat them with petroleum jelly (Vaseline) to prevent corrosion.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">6. Keep the area around batteries clean and dry.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hope this help,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D">John</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a> [<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] On Behalf Of bob ellison<br>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 12:18 PM<br>
To: 'RE-wrenches'<br>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] battery venting; Corrosion<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I have had great luck by heating Vaseline to the hot liquid state then brush it on all the exposed lead and I dip the cable ends also.
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Doing this I have had 1 terminal that got corroded out of several hundreds.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">That gets you a thin coat and lasts for years.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">"Clean and tight" is nice but it gets corroded at some point, and I hate cleaning 1 terminal or 20!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Later,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Bob Ellison<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: <a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">
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<p class="MsoPlainText">[<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] On Behalf Of Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:37 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: RE-wrenches<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] battery venting; Corrosion<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Almost all RV's have a small, poorly vented battery box with 4 GC2 batteries. We see corrosion all the time. When we replace batteries, we use zinc coated copper terminals and apply a thin layer of grease with a toothbrush to every exposed
portion of the connectors. This simple step, with the occasional reapplication, keeps all terminals as fresh as the day installed for many years. I am speaking from experience of hundreds of installations.
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