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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;-webkit-line-break: after-white-space'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I have always liked the idea of running a dc charger into a battery bank.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>In the past I have played with the “incharge” from Xantrex, it was an incredibly difficult unit to program. It had magnet switches located in the potting epoxy that you had to activate to adjust the settings and it went in a specific order. Miss one and you were back to the start and do it again. I grew to hate it and relatively quickly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>It had lots of adjustability but I could not master the adjustment process. I ultimately changed battery voltage and it was no longer useful to me. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I think the original idea was built by Bob O and I have people who have used them and it worked well. It had 2 knobs to do the adjustments, I understood that!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I just could never build one, boards aren’t my thing. I had a friend build one for me and that was a massive failure.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I still would like to find one of Bob O’s units to use.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>As usual just my .02 worth.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Bob Ellison<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>R Ray Walters<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 24, 2011 10:55 PM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> RE-wrenches<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Cummins DC generator<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>They show them as being used specifically for off grid solar applications including remote homes, but I'm with you, I don't understand the voltage limitation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>They seem to think they are just replacing the battery while running, not actually charging it. Very weird. I even went through their case studies, and I'm wondering if they might end up with some long term sulfation problems. It seems they're only interested in reducing the battery size, not augmenting the PV charging; seems a waste of fuel.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I linked to these for Allan earlier just as "food for thought" I wasn't actually advocating their use. It does look like a decent generator, so possibly the voltage limitation could be overcome?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I remember another DC gen set, that ran a Honda motor to belt belt drive a truck alternator (late 90s). I recall them being something of a pain.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Here's another that looks interesting, and actually can be adjusted up to 64 vdc: <a href="http://polarpowerinc.com/products/generators/index.htm">http://polarpowerinc.com/products/generators/index.htm</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Once again, I'm just sharing the info, not advocating these.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>R. Walters<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:ray@solarray.com">ray@solarray.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Solar Engineer<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br></span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Oct 24, 2011, at 6:30 PM, bob ellison wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-line-height-alt:12.75pt'><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I downloaded the spec sheets on the DC generator, it’s either LP or natural gas. Also it’s regulated to 26 volts or 52 volts, so it’s about useless to charge batteries in an off grid system, unless you just need to feed power to the battery bank.</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-line-height-alt:12.75pt'><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Bob Ellison</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-width:initial;border-color:initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></font></span><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b>Ray Walters<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Friday, October 21, 2011 7:41 PM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>RE-wrenches<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:12.75pt'><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:12.75pt'><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>HI Allan;<br><br>I haven't tried the large Exeltech inverters, but I could see some advantages to having a separate charging system, and keeping the inverters supplying stable power. Everytime a generator coughs or switches from one source to another, it seems to cause trouble. The generator could be sized smaller, since it wouldn't need any surge capability. It would always run the same charger, and the inverters would always run the same loads. I'd at least take another look at it for my next large project, but cost might be a limiting factor.<br>Here's a Cummins diesel DC generator, just to think about:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://www.cumminspowerproducts.com/DCgensets/Other/10000500.pdf">http://www.cumminspowerproducts.com/DCgensets/Other/10000500.pdf</a><br><br>Ray<br><br>On 10/21/2011 4:56 PM, Gary Willett wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;mso-line-height-alt:12.75pt'><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Alan: Thanks for setting me straight about 3-phasing the Outback Radian - I was not aware they are limited to parallel single phase applications.</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Regards,<br><br>Gary Willett<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br>On 10/21/2011 15:29, Allan Sindelar wrote:</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Gary,<br>I was surprised by this information, as I had presumed that both units were for single-phase only. So I checked.<br><br>Mary Raub in tech support at Outback told me that the Radian works only in 120/240 single-phase, although they are stackable in parallel.<br><br>Someone in Schneider tech support told me that the XW can be used in three-phase, up to six units (36 kW). Setup instructions are in Appendix D of the XW installation guide, found online at<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://www.global-download.schneider-electric.com/85257849002EB8CB/all/5CC689CC3CB7FD10852578BF005EA759/$File/xw-hybrid-inverter-charger_installation-guide%28975-0239-01-01_rev-e%29.pdf">http://www.global-download.schneider-electric.com/85257849002EB8CB/all/5CC689CC3CB7FD10852578BF005EA759/$File/xw-hybrid-inverter-charger_installation-guide%28975-0239-01-01_rev-e%29.pdf</a>.<br><br>Thanks, Allan<br> </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Allan Sindelar</span></font></b><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br></span></font><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><a href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com"><font color="#000099"><span style='color:#000099'>Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</span></font></a></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br></span></font><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer<br>NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<br>New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Positive Energy, Inc.</span></b><br>3201 Calle Marie<br>Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>505 424-1112</span></b><br><a href="http://www.positiveenergysolar.com/" target="_blank">www.positiveenergysolar.com</a></span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br>On 10/21/2011 2:01 PM, Gary Willett wrote:</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>Allan:<br>Also, you might consider using six to nine Schneider/Xantrex XW6048 inverters, or six to nine Outback Radian GS8048 inverters, in a 3-phase configuration, with a common battery bank.<br>Also, Schneider/Xantrex has an 80A 600V charge controller that may be advantageous depending on the distance from the PV arrays to the inverters.</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Regards,<br>Gary Willett, PE<br>Icarus-Engineering LLC<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Icarus Solar Services LLC<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br>On 10/21/2011 10:17, Allan Sindelar wrote:</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Wrenches,<br>We have been asked for a design for an off-grid system to reduce generator runtime for a mountain resort. Initial projections (consumption measurement results not yet available) suggest 15-20 kW of PV and around 30 kW of inverter capacity. However, the generators and existing wiring are three-phase 120/208.<br><br>My assumption is that our only options are a set of six Sunny Islands, or 9-12 Outback GVFX3648s. Are there any other options or approaches that I'm missing?<br><br>Thank you, Allan</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>--<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Allan Sindelar</span></b><br></span></font><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><a href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com"><font color="#000099"><span style='color:#000099'>Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</span></font></a></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br></span></font><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer<br>NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<br>New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br><b><span 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