<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Hi Maverick & everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>I visited the site a couple of days ago and load tested the batteries, checked individual voltages in the string of six Surrette 4KS25's (4.3v each), checked all connections etc. The client told me that when they would go to bed battery volts read 25.7. Through the night this would seem to stay steady. About 4 a.m. as far as they could tell the voltage would drop to about 24.5. This happened without a load present and with no charging present (calm, no wind, no sun). They would start up the generator for five minutes in the morning and see the voltage come up to just above 29v then turn off the generator (a small Honda 2500) and the voltage would settly at 25.7 and remain there most of the day even when using their light loads, some lights, phone system, laptop and the Sunfrost.</div><div><br></div><div>When checking the batteries I noticed they needed watering and mentioned this to the customer. The electrolyte was just over the plastic screen above the plates by about 1/4 inch. He said he had just watered them and always kept them filled. I replied that they were low and when he looked he said no, that's where I keep them! When I checked the specific gravity reading it was very rich reading around 1.275 - 1.280. I topped them up properly to about 1/4 inch below the bottom of the cell channel which took about 5 cups per each battery. Of course as soon as I topped them up the s.g. dropped to around 1.175. I told him to put the generator on for about ten hours and call me in the morning. </div><div><br></div><div>I heard from the client today and in the last two days the voltage has only dropped from 25.6 to 25.4 overnight and s.g. reading is at 1.260 or better so problem seems to be solved. </div><div><br></div><div>So it appears the battery was under watered for several years. I'm still not sure why this would result in a sudden voltage drop, especially in the middle of the night with no loads present and no charging. 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margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div></div></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></span></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>On 2011-10-21, at 5:18 AM, <a href="mailto:maverick@mavericksolar.com">maverick@mavericksolar.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Ron,</div><div><br></div><div>Just curious what the outcome was?<br><br><div><br></div><div>Thank you,</div><div><br></div><div>Maverick</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Maverick Brown</div><div>BSEET, NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer ®</div><div>President & CEO</div><div>Maverick Solar Enterprises, Inc.</div><div>Office: 512-919-4493</div><div>Cell: 512-460-9825</div><div><br></div>Sent from my HondaJet!</div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#144FAE"><br></font></font></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div>
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<br><div><div>On 2011-10-11, at 12:11 PM, Maverick Brown [Maverick Solar] wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="093400319-11102011"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Ron,</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="093400319-11102011"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="093400319-11102011"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Sounds like you might have a voltage drop in the system at
point of measurement. </font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="093400319-11102011"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="093400319-11102011"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">A large voltage drop can happen for a few valid
reasons.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="093400319-11102011"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">1. High current demand. > Trimetric or better yet
PentaMetric can show this demand.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="093400319-11102011"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">2. Poor Cable connection. Visual / Thermal inspection or
local Vdc measurement along the cable chain.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="093400319-11102011"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">3. Low to moderate current demand with low SOC. Check the MX60
Logging function to see when the last day "Float" happened, i.e. how many
minutes of Float in the last 60 days, etc. If there are none or few, then you
still might be at a low SOC. (Trimetric or better yet PentaMetric can show
the SOC as well).</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="093400319-11102011"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="093400319-11102011"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Of course, not sure what happened to the Sunfrost, but a DC
Clamp meter, might determine if it is normal now.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="093400319-11102011"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="093400319-11102011"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">good luck,</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="093400319-11102011"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Maverick</font></span></div>
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<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron
Young<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:00 PM<br><b>To:</b>
RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] intermittent battery
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<div></div>Wrenches,
<div>I received some additional info from the customer this morning. They have
asked me to hold off my visit until they get a few more clues but some of what
they are telling me doesn't necessarily jive with a sulphated battery. Would
appreciate comments - here's a quote from their email:
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<div><i>Hi Ron</i>
<div><i>Still having problems with system. If the batteries are sulphated
would the system return to full charge when you remove the load??? Checked
our hydrometer against another and it is working fine. Batteries are all either
in the green or on the line between green and blue this morning. Display
showed the batteries at 25.2 when we got up this morning. About 10:30 this
morning---I had just tested all batteries with the hydrometer---the readings
dropped to 23.8. Retested batteries---they were in the green. I
turned off all loads----the readings returned to 25.2. I turned on the
Sunfrost---readings immediately dropped to 23.8. I turned off the
Sunfrost--- readings returned to 25.2. I turned on all lights in the house
and the readings remained at 25.2. I turned the Sunfrost back on and the
readings again stayed at 25.2. The one other thing that happened in the
meantime is that the sun came out and we started buying power from the solar
system---.1-.3kw. This all seems to be part of a pattern where as soon as
we start buying power---whether from sun, wind or gen. the system returns to
normal---But we are still suspicious of the Sunfrost because of our problems a
few months back. </i></div>
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<div>Ron Young</div>
<div>earthRight Products - <a href="http://Solareagle.com/">Solareagle.com</a></div>
<div>Alternative Energy Solutions ~ Renewable Energy Products</div>
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<div>On 2011-10-09, at 11:56 AM, Ron Young wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space">As
always, impressed and gratified by the number of thoughtful replies from
Wrenches, thank you again! It looks like a hefty EQ is in order. I've
successfully recovered badly sulphated batteries by putting them through
multiple charge/EQ/discharge cycles on more than occasion. Will check out that
Sunfrost as well. My mistake was believing that the hydrometer could tell the
truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth but apparently it takes an
amp hour meter to keep it honest.
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<div>Ron Young</div>
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<div>We've seen this issue before,and it is almost always due to badly
sulfated batteries. I'd try a LONG (8-12 hrs) EQ charge at 32 volts. We've
done this with Hawkers and fixed the problem. I believe the Surrettes could
handle this kind of charge, though you might contact Jamie Surrette.</div>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space">Thanks
Bob but he has a tubular type hydrometer, not the pointer type. They're
usually ok but I'll check it against mine when I go there which looks like
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say) but will have to nail them down on that. The small 2500w generator
worries me but they have 800w solar and a Whisper 100. The wind blows a
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<div>On 2011-10-08, at 5:07 PM, bob ellison wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
<blockquote type="cite"><span style="WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: medium Candara; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px" class="Apple-style-span">
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bet he has a cheap pointer type hydrometer, I have seen them be way off
from reality.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><font color="black" size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">My
guess is that the gravity is low the voltage changes quickly, specific
gravity changes slowly in a battery bank.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><font color="black" size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">To
fully charge a 24 volt bank you need to get it to 29 + volts and keep it
there for several hours, depending on the battery bank
size.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><font color="black" size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Charging
it to 25.4 is nothing in the long run.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><font color="black" size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Give
them a LONG full charge, what are the inverters? Does it ever get an EQ
charge?<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">One of my
customers that lives 3 hours out in the back country is having an
intermittent problem that I haven't encountered before. The batteries
drop rapidly in voltage but hydrometer readings are in the green.
Turning off the inverter and just using DC doesn't change anything.
Meters on the Mate, Outback MX and Whisper controller are all the same
so it's not a metering problem. On the way to bed the batteries were at
25.4, overnight with no loads they dropped to 22.9 then a short 15 min.
charge with a generator brings the batteries back up and two hours later
they are at 25.8. This scenario has occurred several times and then
doesn't appear for a day or two.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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seem to be sulfation as the batteries are reading good on the hydrometer
every time. All cells check out. The inverter doesn't seem to be the
problem. They have a Sunfrost on a separate DC circuit. It sounds like
an intermittent circuit problem or electronics issue. Customer has
checked and tightened all the connections he can get at but hasn't been
inside the components. Would appreciate any suggestions or clues before
I make the trip.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div>
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