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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>This was an AC pump, not a dc pump. That changes the numbers somewhat, and yes I should have put one in after the inspector left. So much for hindsight….<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I still have the carcass here somewhere, and it was also 15 or 18 years ago.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Guess that says something about my collect of gear.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Bob Ellison<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Allan Sindelar<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:00 PM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> RE-wrenches<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Booster Pump/Slowpump information<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Bob,<br>This doesn't make sense to me. A 12V standard-speed model #2920 runs 22A max; 24V is 11A max. A low-speed model #2910 runs 15A and 7.5A max respectively.<br>I would think that you could have used a circuit breaker to satisfy the inspector, then added a time-delay fuse of the correct amperage for your application in addition to the CB. <br><br>The instructions in the manual are pretty clear (although if I used an ATC fuse it would have to be after the inspector left; AGC time-delay would more closely meet Code...):<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>FAILURE TO INSTALL A FUSE OR BREAKER equal to or less than the motor's Max Amps rating WILL VOID YOUR WARRANTY. If water flow becomes blocked, or if the pump jams or freezes and cannot turn freely, the motor will draw excessive current. A fuse or circuit breaker will then break the circuit. Without such a "safety valve", a minor fault can burn your motor and wiring. Install a fuse or breaker with an AMP RATING close to the "MAX AMPS" rating of your motor, OR LESS (but not more higher). If a Linear Current Booster is being used (for array-direct Slowpumps) install the fuse between the booster and the pump. Use the rating recommended for the booster or for the pump, WHICHEVER IS LESS. This fuse will protect the booster as well as the motor and wiring from overload.<br><br>FUSES: Use a “time-delay” type. The 3" paper cartridge type is good, and may be installed into a raintight disconnect switch available at any electric supplier. An automotive in-line fuse holder is fine for 12 or 24V systems. Automotive blade fuses (type ATC) are preferred over glass fuses. They have sufficient time-delay. (Time-delay glass fuses are available from ELECTRONIC suppliers only, not automotive.) Use good quality fuse holders, protected from weather. Keep spare fuses handy. Never substitute a larger fuse!<br><br>CIRCUIT BREAKERS: Most AC breakers cannot be used for low voltage DC circuits. We recommend only the SQUARE-D® QO or QB-series which been rated safe up to 48 volts DC. A 10 amp size is available, but not in most stores. It may be ordered from your PV dealer or from an electric supplier.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Locking up is usually a result of freezing. I have seen one motor ruined in all of my years with this pump, and it was the result of freezing and improper fusing. If the pump is installed correctly, and the correct inlet fitting with safety screen is used, there is little else to cause a lockup. And the fuse protection is designed to protect the pump in the event of such damage. Freezing solid will usually ruin the head but not the motor if it's fused correctly.<br><br>Allan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>Allan Sindelar</span></font></b><br><font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com"><font color="#000099"><span style='color:#000099'>Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</span></font></a></span></font><br><font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer<br>NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<br>New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Positive Energy, Inc.</span></b><br>3201 Calle Marie<br>Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>505 424-1112</span></b><br><a href="http://www.positiveenergysolar.com/" target="_blank">www.positiveenergysolar.com</a></span></font> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-right:722.25pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>On 10/20/2011 4:09 PM, bob ellison wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I HAD one installed and the inspector would not let me use an inline fuse (seems like it was a 1 amp) so we had to run it from a breaker and it locked up and let the smoke out of it.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Just another experience,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Bob Ellison</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a> [<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Roy Butler<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 20, 2011 5:33 PM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com">Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</a>; RE-wrenches<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Booster Pump/Slowpump information</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman , serif"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman , serif","serif"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman , serif"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman , serif","serif"'>Thank you Allan, this is really good information. I have about 35 of these in the field at this time<br>and I'll need this info soon, I'm sure!<br><br></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Roy Butler<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>NABCEP Certified Small Wind Installer®<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>NYSERDA eligible PV & wind installer<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>8902 Route 46<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Arkport, NY 14807<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>607-324-9747<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="http://www.four-winds-energy.com">www.four-winds-energy.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Although no trees were killed in the sending of this message, <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman , serif"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman , serif","serif"'><br>On 10/20/2011 4:10 PM, Allan Sindelar wrote: </span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman , serif"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman , serif","serif"'>Wrenches:<br>This information is important to those companies that have customers with Dankoff/Flowlight Booster Pumps and Slowpumps. These pumps use DC motors to drive rotary vane positive displacement pump heads made by Procon. Windy Dankoff developed these pumps about 30 years ago and I think thousands have been sold. Other than the quirkiness of their need for fine (10 micron) filtration on the intake side, and the relative unreliability of the optional dry run protection thermal snap switch, the pumps are exceptionally well-made and long-lasting, in my experience.<br><br>Early (before around 1998) pumps were sold under the "Flowlight" name; then under "Dankoff Solar Pumps" name until Conergy bought Dankoff around 2004. The pumps had Conergy's name on them until around two years ago, when Conergy closed its sales and distribution of water pumping, solar thermal, and wind products. Innovative Solar bought the water pumping line and restored the "Dankoff Pumps" name. Innovative Solar became Argand, and changed their distribution model in order to not compete with their dealers (attaboy!); Dankoff Pumps, while owned by Argand, is wholesale only; new dealers must place a minimum stocking order. The pumps continue to be manufactured here in Santa Fe by the same folks that have made and serviced them for years, and quality and support remain high. <br><br>Dankoff Pumps website is currently <a href="http://www.Dankoff-Pumps.com">www.Dankoff-Pumps.com</a>. Note the hyphen; <a href="http://www.Dankoffpumps.com">www.Dankoffpumps.com</a> takes you to a (currently closed) online store, with referral links to Dankoff Pumps for dealers who want to become dealers. Dankoff Pumps will soon be either moving to or adding <a href="http://www.DankoffSolarPumps.com">www.DankoffSolarPumps.com</a> as well, I understand, but this hasn't happened yet. Contact Dankoff Pumps at <a href="mailto:matt@dankoff-pumps.com">matt@dankoff-pumps.com</a>.<br><br>The Procon heads wear out. New replacement heads are available through Dankoff Pumps (and probably other sources as well). However, the heads are rebuildable, and the cost is much less than new. We always ask customers for their old pump heads in exchange for new or rebuilt ones. The rebuilder is Edco Service Center, 8220 Belvedere Ave., Suite F, Sacramento, CA 95826; 916-454-1445. The contact person there is Sandie, <a href="mailto:sandie@edcodistributing.com">sandie@edcodistributing.com</a>.<br><br>Recently we learned some critical information related to pump rebuilding: the heads may rebuilt in many configurations, and it's essential to specify that the <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>pump heads must be for potable water applications</span></b>. This has to do with the amount of lead in various internal components. According to Sandie at Edco, you must specify a <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>114E head</span></b>. According to Matt at Dankoff Pumps, the full designation is <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>114E240F11XX</span></b> for the Booster Pump head and this should be specified in full. All original Booster Pump and Slowpump heads were acceptable for potable water; however, due to a mixup of indeterminable cause, we were recently sent a set of 104 rebuilt heads, which aren't (according to the State of California) suitable for potable applications due to lead content. To their credit, Edco will re-rebuild these heads to potable standards at no cost to us save shipping, but this seemed to me to be a good opportunity to share this information widely with other water pumping Wrenches.<br><br>Allan</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman , serif"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman , serif","serif"'>-- <br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Allan Sindelar</span></b><br></span></font><font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com"><font color="#000099"><span style='color:#000099'>Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</span></font></a></span></font><br><font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer<br>NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<br>New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Positive Energy, Inc.</span></b><br>3201 Calle Marie<br>Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>505 424-1112</span></b><br><a href="http://www.positiveenergysolar.com/" target="_blank">www.positiveenergysolar.com</a></span></font> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:722.25pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman , serif"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman , serif","serif"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman , serif"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman , serif","serif"'><br><br><br></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span 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