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    Ray, without a Mate how do your clients initiate an equalize charge
    via generator ?  Do you just set the Bulk Charge volts at an
    equalize V level ?<br>
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    Carl,<br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Solarwks@cybermesa.com">Solarwks@cybermesa.com</a><br>
    <br>
    On 10/17/2011 10:09 PM, R Ray Walters wrote:
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      For this and cost reasons ($295!) I almost never offer a MATE on
      my Outback systems. We just keep one on  the truck adjust
      everything, and then pull it.
      <div>I've waited for close to 10 years now for the computer
        interface, so you could pull everything up in a Windows screen,
        click on the particular parameter for more info and adjustment.</div>
      <div>The Pentametric does that, and its nice except for the old
        serial connection.</div>
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        <div>William, I'd be interested in being on the manual review
          board. Do we get paid anything or is it sort of like all that
          unofficial product beta testing we've done......</div>
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              <div>R. Walters</div>
              <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:ray@solarray.com">ray@solarray.com</a></div>
              <div>Solar Engineer</div>
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            <div>On Oct 17, 2011, at 10:25 PM, <<a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mark@hurshtown.com">mark@hurshtown.com</a>>
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                  <div>I am in full agreement.</div>
                  <div>The Outback remote darn near needs a college
                    degree to operate.</div>
                  <div>The sensitive parameters you mentioned should be
                    in the password protected area.</div>
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                  <div>Mark</div>
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                      -------- Original Message --------<br>
                      Subject: [RE-wrenches] Instruction manual / User
                      interface rant<br>
                      From: William Miller <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:william@millersolar.com">william@millersolar.com</a>><br>
                      Date: Mon, October 17, 2011 7:49 pm<br>
                      To: RE-wrenches <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br>
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                      Friends:<br>
                      <br>
                      I just returned home from a long drive to
                      troubleshoot a problem with an Outback FX system. 
                      I found that the customer, in the process of using
                      a remote Mate to start the generator, had
                      inadvertently turned the global charge control
                      setting to "off".  This causes a problem that is
                      very serious but hard to detect:  The generator
                      will run but it will not charge the batteries.  No
                      one can know how long ago this was done, but in
                      the meantime the customers batteries were
                      chronically undercharged.<br>
                      <br>
                      Just a month ago I found another Outback system
                      where the customer (or someone from another
                      "solar" company) had selected the "drop" setting
                      from the "use" menu.  Similar results to the
                      previous case, but in this situation the customer
                      had to use the bypass breakers to get power to the
                      house while the batteries did not charge.<br>
                      <br>
                      To my mind, this is one of the big problems with
                      all manufacturers of technical equipment:  Poor
                      user interface.  Who, in their right mind, would
                      put controls to disable critical functions in the
                      same menu tree as the control to do a common
                      place, frequently used function such as starting a
                      generator remotely?  And the screens are all
                      almost identical.  This is extremely poor design.<br>
                      <br>
                      On a similar subject, all off-grid inverter
                      manuals are written very poorly.  For example, why
                      put the installation instructions in the front of
                      the manual?  You install a system once, but you
                      operate it every day.  The installation
                      instructions should be in the back and the
                      operating instructions in the front (or better
                      yet, in separate books).  Why are we trying to use
                      the same manual for the installer as for the
                      user?  A majority of users need a 4 page manual
                      that includes:  1. how to turn the system on and
                      off, 2. how to read and interpret a few critical
                      meter functions, 3. how (and why) to equalize
                      batteries and 4. what to do when your power goes
                      out.  That's it.  For the few users that want to
                      know more, they can wade through the installation
                      / technical manual.<br>
                      <br>
                      We provide our own checklists to all of our
                      customers to perform the limited functions
                      described above.  For a sample, see: <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="file://D/William/Web/Dreamweaver/Miller%2520Solar/MillerSolar/Services/Support/_support.htmll">file:///D:/William/Web/Dreamweaver/Miller%20Solar/MillerSolar/Services/Support/_support.htmll</a><br>
                      <br>
                      We provide these instruction sets to our install
                      clients and sell them to others, including other
                      installers (off list, if you are interested).<br>
                      <br>
                      I am volunteering to be on a peer review panel to
                      critique users manuals for off-grid inverter
                      manufacturer's.  Maybe if a few of us grey beards
                      look over these manuals before they are printed,
                      we can get them straightened out.  Anyone else on
                      board?<br>
                      <br>
                      Rant off.<br>
                      <br>
                      William Miller<br>
                      <br>
                      PS:  Any manual not pre-punched for a three hole
                      binder is not worth the paper it is printed on.<br>
                      <br>
                      Wm<br>
                      <br>
                      <div> William Miller <br>
                        Miller Solar<br>
                        Voice :805-438-5600<br>
                        email: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:william@millersolar.com">william@millersolar.com</a><br>
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://millersolar.com/">http://millersolar.com<br>
                        </a>License No. C-10-773985<br>
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