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Ron, I would most suspect a poor physical connection at one or more
battery terminals. When the sun appeared that current draw out of
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<div>I received some additional info from the customer this
morning. They have asked me to hold off my visit until they get
a few more clues but some of what they are telling me doesn't
necessarily jive with a sulphated battery. Would appreciate
comments - here's a quote from their email:
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<div><i>Still having problems with system. If the batteries
are sulphated would the system return to full charge
when you remove the load??? Checked our hydrometer
against another and it is working fine. Batteries are
all either in the green or on the line between green and
blue this morning. Display showed the batteries at 25.2
when we got up this morning. About 10:30 this
morning---I had just tested all batteries with the
hydrometer---the readings dropped to 23.8. Retested
batteries---they were in the green. I turned off all
loads----the readings returned to 25.2. I turned on the
Sunfrost---readings immediately dropped to 23.8. I
turned off the Sunfrost--- readings returned to 25.2. I
turned on all lights in the house and the readings
remained at 25.2. I turned the Sunfrost back on and the
readings again stayed at 25.2. The one other thing that
happened in the meantime is that the sun came out and we
started buying power from the solar system---.1-.3kw.
This all seems to be part of a pattern where as soon as
we start buying power---whether from sun, wind or gen.
the system returns to normal---But we are still
suspicious of the Sunfrost because of our problems a few
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<div style="word-wrap: break-word;">As always, impressed
and gratified by the number of thoughtful replies from
Wrenches, thank you again! It looks like a hefty EQ is
in order. I've successfully recovered badly sulphated
batteries by putting them through multiple
charge/EQ/discharge cycles on more than occasion. Will
check out that Sunfrost as well. My mistake was
believing that the hydrometer could tell the truth,
the whole truth and nothing but the truth but
apparently it takes an amp hour meter to keep it
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<div>We've seen this issue before,and it is
almost always due to badly sulfated
batteries. I'd try a LONG (8-12 hrs) EQ
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<div>On Oct 8, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Ron Young
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<div style="word-wrap: break-word;">Thanks
Bob but he has a tubular type
hydrometer, not the pointer type.
They're usually ok but I'll check it
against mine when I go there which
looks like a certainty.
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<div>They EQ the batteries on a
regular basis as per my instructions
(they say) but will have to nail
them down on that. The small 2500w
generator worries me but they have
800w solar and a Whisper 100. The
wind blows a lot. Inverter is a 3524
Outback.</div>
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<div>On 2011-10-08, at 5:07 PM,
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style="font-size:
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color: black;">I bet
he has a cheap
pointer type
hydrometer, I have
seen them be way off
from reality.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0in
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style="font-size:
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color: black;">My
guess is that the
gravity is low the
voltage changes
quickly, specific
gravity changes
slowly in a battery
bank.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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style="font-size:
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color: black;">To
fully charge a 24
volt bank you need
to get it to 29 +
volts and keep it
there for several
hours, depending on
the battery bank
size.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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it to 25.4 is
nothing in the long
run.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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color: black;">Give
them a LONG full
charge, what are the
inverters? Does it
ever get an EQ
charge?<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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customers that
lives 3 hours out
in the back
country is having
an intermittent
problem that I
haven't
encountered
before. The
batteries drop
rapidly in voltage
but hydrometer
readings are in
the green. Turning
off the inverter
and just using DC
doesn't change
anything. Meters
on the Mate,
Outback MX and
Whisper controller
are all the same
so it's not a
metering problem.
On the way to bed
the batteries were
at 25.4, overnight
with no loads they
dropped to 22.9
then a short 15
min. charge with a
generator brings
the batteries back
up and two hours
later they are at
25.8. This
scenario has
occurred several
times and then
doesn't appear for
a day or two.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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doesn't seem to
be sulfation as
the batteries
are reading good
on the
hydrometer every
time. All cells
check out. The
inverter doesn't
seem to be the
problem. They
have a Sunfrost
on a separate DC
circuit. It
sounds like an
intermittent
circuit problem
or electronics
issue. Customer
has checked and
tightened all
the connections
he can get at
but hasn't been
inside the
components.
Would appreciate
any suggestions
or clues before
I make the trip.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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