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<div><p><font size="2"><font face="System">With all due respect to your experience in
California Joel, total installations is not a very accurate indicator of ability
in todays PV industry imho. A good start is how many years have you been in the
business, really in the business. This does not include the PV pump in your koi
pond but real verifiable, green-tagged installs. 20+ year electrical contractors
with a half-dozen installs don't count either. </font></font><font size="2"><font face="System">NABCEP certification is another excellent filter but several ECs
around here simply hired a NABCEP cert to be able to fly the
logo. </font></font></p><p><font size="2"><font face="System">I have sat through Bill Brooks classes almost
as many times as John Wiles classes. Just spent 8 hours in a James Stallcup Sr.
class in Austin Friday and had lunch Saturday with the 25 year Exec. Dir.
of <a href="http://treia.org">treia.org</a>. My www site doesn't emphasize the number of installs but it does
show a list of training classes, and conferences etc I have attended over the
last 18 years.</font></font></p><p><font size="2"><font face="System">I won't go into the politics of why Texas is a
decade behind the leading edge of PV in the US but I probably don't have to when
you consider our political situation here. And our working with TREIA at the
state capitol for the last 6 years "greasing the skids" in favor of pro-RE
legislation gives a whole new perspective on those politics. There's a reason
SEIA & SEPA brought SPI to Dallas. </font></font></p><p><font size="2"><font face="System">And since you mentioned it, I don't know how
many Wrenches will be at SPI in Dallas but be sure to check out the pulled pork
sandwiches and "first-drink-free" meetup at Poor Davids Pub on the 19th from
6-9. It's sponsored by the Texas Solar Energy Society and it's just a couple of
blocks from the big show. We'll be looking for NABCEP shirts.<br><br>Jim
Duncan<br>North Texas Renewable Energy<br>NABCEP Certified Solar PV<br>Installer
No.031310-57<br>TECL
27398<br><a href="mailto:ntrei@1scom.net">ntrei@1scom.net</a> <br>817.917.0527<br><a href="http://www.ntrei.com">www.ntrei.com</a><br></font><br><br><font size="3">Dear Jesse,<br><br>1. Go to the Dallas solar exhibition and spend a lot
of time on the floor<br>talking to real engineers with field experience (not
salespeople). First<br>question to ask is "How many PV systems have you
installed?" Anyone with<br>less than 50 systems under their belt is either
reading from the book or<br>still in training.<br><br>2. Attend a Bill Brooks
training session. Bill has strong opinions that some<br>wrenches disagree with
but has seen more PV installations than over 99% of<br>the people on Earth and
has spend decades thinking about what is good and<br>bad PV.<br><br>3. Meet with
and walk the exhibit floor with and talk shop day and night<br>with as many
wrenches as you can (at least 3 a day).<br><br>4. Go to the exhibits all the
time they are open and keep your ears open.<br>Wrenching is parts and the people
who put parts together. Only go to<br>sessions and workshops when the exhibits
are closed.<br><br>5. Don't become a true believer in any one part or one way to
put parts<br>together. There are many good and bad parts and techniques. The
quest is<br>finding something better.<br><br>Have fun.<br>Joel Davidson<br>"Not
all change is for the better, but nothing gets better without
change</font>."<br><br><br></font></p></div>
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