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    On 10/2/2011 11:53 AM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dan@foxfire-energy.com">dan@foxfire-energy.com</a> wrote:
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        <div>If it were me (Depending on how big the back up loads are),
          I'd make the array direct grid tie, and then set up a smaller
          stand alone system (At the house) for critical <span>loads<span
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          UPS.. (no DC in)<br>
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          Dan Brown<br>
          Foxfire Energy Corp.<br>
          Renewable Energy Systems<br>
          (802)-483-2564<br>
          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.Foxfire-Energy.com">www.Foxfire-Energy.com</a><br>
          NABCEP #092907-44</div>
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    You could also think about using 2 transformers, one on each end, to
    boost the AC to a few thousand volts to<br>
    cut losses.  But transformers have losses too.  Might be able to use
    some type of AC coupling as well for<br>
    the backup part ??<br>
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            Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Invert first?<br>
            From: Dan Fink <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:buckville@hughes.net">buckville@hughes.net</a>><br>
            Date: Sun, October 02, 2011 12:50 pm<br>
            To: RE-wrenches <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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            Hi Eric;<br>
            <br>
            I'll be very interested to hear what others on this list who
            have far <br>
            more experience than me in large systems have to say about
            this.<br>
            <br>
            But my first thought is, go DC. The new Xantrex XW high
            voltage MPPT <br>
            charge controller will take up to 600 Voc from PV and put it
            into a <br>
            standard battery bank, that roughly puts you realistically
            at just 30 <br>
            amps in your DC lines.<br>
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            How were you planning to invert to AC at the PV array?
            Enphase etc? How <br>
            do you do battery backup with an Enphase system (I have no
            idea, but am <br>
            eager to learn from others here)? Any standard islanding
            grid-tie <br>
            inverter will need to be right next to the battery bank.<br>
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            Dan Fink<br>
            Executive Director;<br>
            Buckville Energy Consulting<br>
            Buckville Publications LLC<br>
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            Providers<br>
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            970.672.4342 (voicemail)<br>
            970.373.1311 (fax)<br>
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            Eric Thomas wrote:<br>
            > Wrenches,<br>
            > <br>
            > We are designing a super high end grid-tied w/ battery
            backup system for <br>
            > a customer. Array will be ~15kW; pole or stand alone
            structure mounted; <br>
            > 250' from home/batteries. My question is: does it make
            any sense to <br>
            > invert the power at the array and use this ac to make
            the long run to <br>
            > the batteries THEN connect to a typical battery charger
            rather than a dc <br>
            > charge controller? Im mostly concerned with huge dc
            conductors making <br>
            > this run across the property. Havent delved into the
            specific design <br>
            > enough to size said conductors yet, or specify any
            equipment, but wanted <br>
            > to know if im barking up the wrong tree ir not.<br>
            > Thanks for the insight.<br>
            > <br>
            > Eric Thomas<br>
            > Founder<br>
            > Solar Epiphany LLC<br>
            > NABCEP Certified PV Installer<br>
            > WA Electrical Contractor # SOLAREL911NR<br>
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