<html><head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Hi Jay and All,<br>
<br>
This island is remote and stand-alone - the client owns the whole
island.<br>
<br>
Yes the multi-cluster box is available now in the US - up to 60 KWs -
European version goes up to 300 KWs.<br>
<br>
400/230 would reduce wire sizes over 208/120 before we go to
transformers and allow bigger micro-grids to make up the island
mini-grid.<br>
<br>
There's a larger selection of energy efficient appliances and light
fixtures available in the rest of the world vs the US & Canada.<br>
<br>
Where exactly in the code does it say that things have to be listed - or
is that a local jurisdication thing?<br>
<br>
And the Bahamas uses the Canadian Code. Bahaman authorities might
accept Euro listings.<br>
<br>
That's the thinking so far!<br>
<br>
Any more insight from anyone before I waste time on an impossible quest
would be most appreciated!<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Jeff<br>
Village Power Design<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
jay peltz wrote:
<blockquote style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "
cite="mid:5B89D9F9-99BA-4972-BF64-1D9AE82754B4@asis.com%3E%20(sfid-20110809_18284_0C1FF282)"
type="cite">Hi Jeff,
<div><br></div>
<div>Likewise.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Yea I think you are correct about the voltage/hz thing, but still
at least here if its not listed then?</div>
<div>It also looks like they only use 120/240 60 hz in the Bahamas.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>My understanding from John B some years ago was that the multi
cluster boxes would work with the US version, but were not listed.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>So for me my big question is this place so unique/ remote that
you could have to have only euro equipment?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>peace,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>jay</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br><div><div>On Aug 9, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Jeff Clearwater wrote:</div><br
class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta
content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Hi Jay,<br>
<br>
Thanks for the input! Was nice to see you at Intersolar.<br>
<br>
WELL This is the Bahamas so it's the Canadian Code. So let's say
everything was listed - what are the other showstoppers?<br>
<br>
>From what I know (and I risk embarrassing myself here) - the code
doesn't specify voltage or frequency - just standards and practices - so
I'm thinking it's the way neutrals and grounding are handled that would
be the issue. And even there I can imagine some work arounds. <br>
<br>
Help me our here . . . .<br>
<br>
Jeff C.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
jay peltz wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:785FFCB1-AA94-4802-92F5-64D4066655D5@asis.com%3E%20(sfid-20110809_13373_72ADD980)"
type="cite"><pre wrap="">HI Jeff,
I don't see how you could as the equipment isn't UL listed.
Then you'd have the issue of what equipment are people going to be plugging into it, and none of that would be UL either.
I think its great stuff and would love to see it happen, but I'd also like to know how, but if anyone can pull it off it'll be you,
Good luck,
jay
peltz power
On Aug 9, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Jeff Clearwater wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">Esteemed Wrenches,
Is there any possibility at all I can install a 230/400 50 Hz Sunny Island Micro-grid in the U.S. or Canada and have it meet code? Is it the neutral and grounding that's going to prohibitive? Or is there a way around that? Anybody ever done it and gotten it through an inspector?
I'm working on an island mico-grid and the European standard would bring us higher voltage - larger multi-cluster boxes from SMA (the US version only goes to 60 KW whereas the European version goes to 300 KW) perhaps better SI support from Germany, and access to a wider variety of energy efficienty appliances.
One can only ask!
Jeff
--
Jeff Clearwater
Village Power Design
Renewable Energy Consultant
32 Years in all Aspects of Renewables
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.villagepower.com/">www.villagepower.com</a>
skype: jclearwater
413-559-9763
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
</pre></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
</pre></blockquote>
</div></blockquote></div><br></div>
</blockquote>
</body></html>