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I had a customer ram a vehicle into a pole mounted tracker at about
10 mph. It bent the tilt actuator pretty good, but the 6" pole and
footing were unscathed. Once I found a pole mount listing at a 10
degree angle, turns out the DIYers hadn't set it in concrete.<br>
Another situation we had 6" poles about 12 ft out of the ground, and
in high winds they rocked back and forth a few inches. We added guy
cables and anchors, and all is well.<br>
Biggest problem I've seen is not bringing the concrete up to ground
level. Dirt against the pipe long term will corrode the pipe
significantly right at the point of highest stress.<br>
<br>
Ray<br>
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On 7/27/2011 3:40 PM, Drake wrote:
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I've not personally seen any pole mount pipes that were bent or
broken. Has anyone seen this? How common is it? What
sort of damage to pole mount arrays is common? <br>
<br>
<br>
At 05:25 PM 7/26/2011, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">I can confirm that
quite a bit
of water builds up inside the pipe. <br>
A few times on rewiring old systems, we used self tapping screws
to
attach conduit and combiner boxes to the existing pole, and
we've had
water start running out the hole when it was close to the
ground. This
was in a dry climate (New Mexico) This was with a rack that
didn't cap
the pole, but I was still surprised how much water was in there.
(gallons)<br>
Filling with concrete does seem to be a good idea, but I'll
point out its
not as easy as it sounds.<br>
The concrete just pours out the bottom into the footing, as you
keep
filling it from the top. Pouring in a foot of gravel in the
bottom first
would help, or filling the pipe after the footing dried some
would do it
too.<br>
<br>
No free lunch,<br>
<br>
R. Walters<br>
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Solar Engineer<br>
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On Jul 26, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Dave Palumbo wrote:<br>
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> Roy, <br>
> <br>
> I have heard that the small amount of water from
condensation will
be absorbed by the concrete itself. Don't know for an absolute
fact that
this is true though.<br>
> <br>
> Dave<br>
> <br>
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:17 PM<br>
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> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] pole mounts<br>
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> I would think that adding concrete partially up the pole
would cause
water<br>
> and condensation to collect near the bottom and not drain
properly.
This<br>
> could possibly lead to freezing and the pipe being blown
out or
damaged,<br>
> even if the top is completely capped. I would think that
you should
either<br>
> completely fill the pipe, or leave it empty with a good
layer of
gravel at<br>
> the bottom to allow it to drain properly. I also have no
studies to
back<br>
> this up, but it was just a thought.<br>
> <br>
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> On Tue, July 26, 2011 3:05 pm, Dave Palumbo wrote:<br>
>> Todd,<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> We add concrete inside of our steel pipe masts, up to
grade
level, in the<br>
>> interest of having more weight below ground level. I
wouldn’t
say that<br>
>> it made the pipe stronger (that better be strong enough
as is)
but more<br>
>> weight down low will help keep it rooted in a big wind
event.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Dave<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
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>> <br>
>> Wrenches,<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Fact or fiction: Adding concrete to the inside of a
pole mount
pipe makes<br>
>> it stronger.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Thanks,<br>
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