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    I had a customer ram a vehicle into a pole mounted tracker at about
    10 mph. It bent the tilt actuator pretty good, but the 6" pole and
    footing were unscathed. Once I found a pole mount listing at a 10
    degree angle, turns out the DIYers hadn't set it in concrete.<br>
    Another situation we had 6" poles about 12 ft out of the ground, and
    in high winds they rocked back and forth a few inches. We added guy
    cables and anchors, and all is well.<br>
    Biggest problem I've seen is not bringing the concrete up to ground
    level. Dirt against the pipe long term will corrode the pipe
    significantly right at the point of highest stress.<br>
    <br>
    Ray<br>
    <br>
    On 7/27/2011 3:40 PM, Drake wrote:
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      I've not personally seen any pole mount pipes that were bent or
      broken.  Has anyone seen this?  How common is it?  What
      sort of damage to pole mount arrays is common? <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      At 05:25 PM 7/26/2011, you wrote:<br>
      <blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">I can confirm that
        quite a bit
        of water builds up inside the pipe. <br>
        A few times on rewiring old systems, we used self tapping screws
        to
        attach conduit and combiner boxes to the existing pole, and
        we've had
        water start running out the hole when it was close to the
        ground. This
        was in a dry climate (New Mexico) This was with a rack that
        didn't cap
        the pole, but I was still surprised how much water was in there.
        (gallons)<br>
        Filling with concrete does seem to be a good idea, but I'll
        point out its
        not as easy as it sounds.<br>
        The concrete just pours out the bottom into the footing, as you
        keep
        filling it from the top. Pouring in a foot of gravel in the
        bottom first
        would help, or filling the pipe after the footing dried some
        would do it
        too.<br>
        <br>
        No free lunch,<br>
        <br>
        R. Walters<br>
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        <br>
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        On Jul 26, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Dave Palumbo wrote:<br>
        <br>
        > Roy, <br>
        > <br>
        > I have heard that the small amount of water from
        condensation will
        be absorbed by the concrete itself. Don't know for an absolute
        fact that
        this is true though.<br>
        > <br>
        > Dave<br>
        > <br>
        > -----Original Message-----<br>
        > From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
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        Behalf Of Roy
        Rakobitsch<br>
        > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:17 PM<br>
        > To: RE-wrenches<br>
        > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] pole mounts<br>
        > <br>
        > I would think that adding concrete partially up the pole
        would cause
        water<br>
        > and condensation to collect near the bottom and not drain
        properly.
        This<br>
        > could possibly lead to freezing and the pipe being blown
        out or
        damaged,<br>
        > even if the top is completely capped. I would think that
        you should
        either<br>
        > completely fill the pipe, or leave it empty with a good
        layer of
        gravel at<br>
        > the bottom to allow it to drain properly. I also have no
        studies to
        back<br>
        > this up, but it was just a thought.<br>
        > <br>
        > Roy Rakobitsch<br>
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        > <br>
        > On Tue, July 26, 2011 3:05 pm, Dave Palumbo wrote:<br>
        >> Todd,<br>
        >> <br>
        >> <br>
        >> <br>
        >> We add concrete inside of our steel pipe masts, up to
        grade
        level, in the<br>
        >> interest of having more weight below ground level. I
        wouldn’t
        say that<br>
        >> it made the pipe stronger (that better be strong enough
        as is)
        but more<br>
        >> weight down low will help keep it rooted in a big wind
        event.<br>
        >> <br>
        >> <br>
        >> <br>
        >> Dave<br>
        >> <br>
        >> <br>
        >> <br>
        >> From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br>
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        Behalf Of<br>
        >> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:toddcory@finestplanet.com">toddcory@finestplanet.com</a><br>
        >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:50 PM<br>
        >> To: RE-wrenches<br>
        >> Subject: [RE-wrenches] pole mounts<br>
        >> <br>
        >> <br>
        >> <br>
        >> Wrenches,<br>
        >> <br>
        >> <br>
        >> <br>
        >> Fact or fiction: Adding concrete to the inside of a
        pole mount
        pipe makes<br>
        >> it stronger.<br>
        >> <br>
        >> <br>
        >> <br>
        >> Thanks,<br>
        >> <br>
        >> <br>
        >> <br>
        >> Todd<br>
        >> <br>
        >> <br>
        >> <br>
        >> <br>
        >> Sent from Finest Planet WebMail.<br>
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