<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">I was talking to a fellow at ASES conference about the UL training, he compared it to my course, He said it was a joke, the instructor did not have the understanding of the potential problems with DC and it appeared he may not have enen ever installed a system. He was greatly disapointed. Perhaps they are just cutting their teeth, on solar, and will get better. Of course I teach a NABCEP directed course, but my union has asked me to look into UL</SPAN></div>
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<DIV id=yiv355357098><BR>This is an interesting observation regarding this that we heard about.....<BR>boB<BR><BR><BR>
<div class=yiv355357098MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">We have a friend from Washington State that also took the UL class. The instructor was not a UL employee, but rather a professional installer from Florida. His class was ok, but nothing in depth for anyone that already has hands on knowledge of installing PV systems. There was one very troubling aspect of their training. They had the inverters and disconnect switches and all the associated components of a PV system on the wall with one exception. When it came to the combiner, it was clear that the combiner had been removed from the wall. Written in pencil was the word “PV combiner”. When asked, the instructor had to admit that UL forced him to remove the MidNite solar combiner because it was ETL listed, not UL! Almost all the combiners are ETL listed. I personally do not think UL is doing anybody a good service by only discussing UL listed components. Stick with the
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<div class=yiv355357098MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Robin Gudgel</SPAN></div><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Midnite Solar</SPAN><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On 7/21/2011 6:52 AM, Glenn Burt wrote:
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<div class=yiv355357098MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A class=yiv355357098moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</A> [<A class=yiv355357098moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B><A class=yiv355357098moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:dan@foxfire-energy.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:dan@foxfire-energy.com">dan@foxfire-energy.com</A><BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:46 AM<BR><B>To:</B> RE-wrenches<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] UL PV certification?</SPAN></div></DIV></DIV>
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<div class=yiv355357098MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>Dan Brown<BR>Foxfire Energy Corp.<BR>Renewable Energy Systems<BR>(802)-483-2564<BR><A href="http://www.foxfire-energy.com/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.Foxfire-Energy.com</A><BR>NABCEP #092907-44</SPAN></div></DIV>
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