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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Why not use submersible pump cable? It’s readily available in different wire gauges, usually from a Well Driller or Pump installer. Some bigger electrical supply houses carry it too, and have even seen variations in Home Depot.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy'>Sincerely,<br><br>Chris Worcester<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy'>Solar Wind Works<br>NABCEP Certified PV Installer<br>Phone: 530-582-4503<br>Fax: 530-582-4603<br><a href="http://www.solarwindworks.com/">www.solarwindworks.com</a><br><a href="mailto:chris@solarwindworks.com">chris@solarwindworks.com</a><br>"Proven Energy Solutions"</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kristopher Schmid<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 10, 2011 11:12 AM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Underwater wire<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Thanks for the input, all! I can't wade to dive into this project, now.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Max Balchowsky <<a href="mailto:max@seesolar.com">max@seesolar.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Kris, I</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>worked traffic signal systems for years, we spliced conductors in pull boxes that fill with water on a regular regular basis. There are products available that are rated for waterproofing connections and the THWN-2 is rated for wet locations, but I don't know about submersed locations.</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Max Balchowsky<br>Design Engineer<br>SEE Systems<br>1048 Irvine Ave Suite 217<br>Newport Beach, Ca. 92660<br><a href="tel:760-403-6810" target="_blank">760-403-6810</a></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Allan Sindelar <<a href="mailto:allan@positiveenergysolar.com" target="_blank">allan@positiveenergysolar.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Thu, June 9, 2011 6:48:32 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Underwater wire</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Kris,<br>I don't know a Code-compliant solution, having not faced this. But I'll suggest that you not attempt to glue and seal conduit to keep the conductors dry, as it won't work permanently. Use wet-rated wire, expecting any conduit to provide only physical protection. THWN is wet-rated - that's the W. You might consider submersible pump cable also.<br>Allan<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>Allan Sindelar</b><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:#000099'>Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</span></a></span><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer<br>NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<br>New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br><b>Positive Energy, Inc.</b><br>3201 Calle Marie<br>Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507<br><b><a href="tel:505%20424-1112" target="_blank">505 424-1112</a></b><br><a href="http://www.positiveenergysolar.com/" target="_blank">www.positiveenergysolar.com</a></span> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-right:722.25pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>On 6/9/2011 7:31 PM, Jesse Dahl wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><pre>There utility companies up here in northern MN bring power to islands all the time. The have cable underwater. Maybe contact Minnesota Power....<br><br>Jesse<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>On Jun 9, 2011, at 3:48 PM, Nathan Jones <a href="mailto:solardude97@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><solardude97@yahoo.com></a> wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Kris,<br>We work on boat docks on army corps of engineer lakes frequently and they have wire in direct contact with water everywhere. The lakes here are flood control and fluctuate a lot, like 50 feet in a given year. The marinas are dragging the feeder wires all over the place on rocky bottoms. We kill very few people with this insane practice but as the feeder wires age I believe the fatalities will increase. This is ground referenced service in fresh water with poor conducting capability in the water. Very dangerous yet allowed.<br><br><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Your situation would be quite safe IMHO as there would be no stressing of the delivery system.<br>Nathan Jones<br>Power Source Solar<br><a href="tel:417-827-0738" target="_blank">417-827-0738</a><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Thu Jun 9th, 2011 2:30 PM CDT Kristopher Schmid wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>I have an installation that is a ground mount on a berm with a man-made pond<br>between the array and the BOS. The pond is about 4 feet deep. How would<br>you wrenches make this run? in weighted conduit with primer and glued<br><br><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>joints? use boring and go under? out of conduit with wire directly in the<br>water?<br><br>Does code have anything to say about this specifically?<br><br>Thanks as always.<br><br>-- <br>Thanks,<br>Kris Schmid<br><br>Legacy Solar, LLC<br><br><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>864 Clam Falls Trail<br>Frederic, WI 54837<br><a href="tel:715-653-4295" target="_blank">715-653-4295</a><br><a href="http://www.legacysolar.com" target="_blank">www.legacysolar.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:solman@legacysolar.com" target="_blank">solman@legacysolar.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Home Power magazine<br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Options & settings:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>List-Archive: <a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>List rules & etiquette:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm" target="_blank">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Check out participant bios:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><pre>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Home Power magazine<br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Options & settings:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>List-Archive: <a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>List rules & etiquette:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm" target="_blank">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Check out participant bios:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Home Power magazine<br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Options & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List-Archive: <a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm" target="_blank">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br><br>Check out participant bios:<br><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><br>-- <br>Thanks,<br>Kris Schmid<br><br>Legacy Solar, LLC<br>864 Clam Falls Trail<br>Frederic, WI 54837<br>715-653-4295<br><a href="http://www.legacysolar.com" target="_blank">www.legacysolar.com</a><br><a href="mailto:solman@legacysolar.com" target="_blank">solman@legacysolar.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>