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Gary,<br>
Thank you for the referral to this product; I didn't know it
existed. If you reread my original post, you'll see that there's no
generator involved; this is purely inverter- and battery-based. At
the link you provided, I was able to download a spec sheet, but the
spec sheet lacked some of the information to determine how well this
would work in an inverter-based situation. It appears that this unit
includes a load-shedding control algorithm based on AC input voltage
(representing full load/overload sensing) that would have to be left
unused. It's not clear to me that this could be set up to work as
simply as a shift-to-backup on the critical loads section could be
automatic and based solely on loss of grid AC. Have you used this in
a GTWB installation? ?If so, what can you tell us?<br>
<br>
This unit retails around $350 and is based on a generator-based
application. I would think that a simple series of AC critical load
panels, that include a simple 30 or 60A 120/240 automatic transfer
switch function in order to switch critical loads from utility
source to inverter source, would be a product with a ready, small
but growing market. We have requests for sophisticated grid-tie with
backup systems, intended as preparation for possible permanent loss
of utility electricity. <br>
<br>
Allan<br>
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On 5/14/2011 5:08 AM, Gary Willett wrote:
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<font size="+1" color="#000000">Allan :<br>
<br>
Since you are planning to replace the main service panel, you
might consider the Generac GenReady panel that has a built-in
125A automatic transfer switch (ATS).<br>
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href="http://www.generac.com/Residential/Transfer_Switches/Essential_Circuit/GenReady_Load_Center/">http://www.generac.com/Residential/Transfer_Switches/Essential_Circuit/GenReady_Load_Center/</a><br>
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The upper portion of the panel are the breaker spaces for the
unprotected loads, and the lower portion has the spaces for the
protected loads.<br>
<br>
You can get the GenReady with or without a service entrance
rated main service breaker. It's cost is comparable to the
stand-alone ATS.<br>
<br>
This panel is single phase 240/120, so if your backup source is
120V you will need a suitably sized transformer.<br>
<br>
Is the "backup" portion of your project a generator only, or a
combination of batteries & generator?<br>
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Gary Willett, PE</span></font></p>
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<font color="#000000">On 5/13/2011 7:21 PM, Ray Walters wrote:</font>
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<font color="#000000"> HI Allan;<br>
<br>
We got some through Northern Tool and equipment. </font> <font
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It's Generac, but it's UL listed, and cheap. (actually its
made by Nexus) As you can see the Cutler Hamer are over $1000.</font>
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I've also used their very low cost manual transfer switches
from Reliance.<br>
For specialty BOS equipment related to generators, Northern
has been pretty good. You can set up a wholesale acct.<br>
and get another whopping 10% off.....<br>
GTWB with PNM sure is fun huh?<br>
<br>
Ray</font> <font color="#000000"><br>
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On 5/13/2011 11:08 AM, Allan Sindelar wrote: </font>
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<font color="#000000"> Fellow Wrenches,<br>
Two requests, please, for the same job:<br>
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We have a GTWB (grid-tie with backup) job coming up for
which we need to include an ATS (automatic transfer switch).
The utility pays RECs, but the critical loads must pass
through the REC meter > main load center > transfer
switch > critical loads panel in order to be counted. The
customer has requested an automatic transfer switch, rather
than the usual manual switch, for this application. It's an
Outback GVFX3648-based system, that may or may not include a
PSX-240 autotransformer to produce 240VAC - it depends on
whether we have any mulitwire branch circuits that can't be
reconfigured.</font> <font color="#000000"><br>
<br>
My request is for recommendations of a basic and
inexpensive, but adequate and reliable, 30A 240V ATS, to
switch from grid to inverter when the grid goes out. I would
also like a recommendation of a 60A version, either straight
120V or 240V, in case we don't need the transformer.</font>
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<br>
The home also will need a full service upgrade. There are
now All-in-one meter base/main load centers offered as
PV-ready - to satisfy NEC 690-64(b)2 bussbar issues. I have
seen mention of such on this list, but can't find the posts.
Could someone post or send me a link to such a panel? We're
upgrading the existing 100A to 150-200A, mainly to correct
old New Mexico funk.</font> <font color="#000000"><br>
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Thank you for any assistance.</font> <font color="#000000"><br>
Allan<br>
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New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br>
<b>Positive Energy, Inc.</b><br>
3201 Calle Marie<br>
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