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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hello Ray,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>No, we don’t have any usage data. With data I am quite sure we could prove the unlikelihood of PV power reaching the grid, but I know I could not honestly say it is impossible. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>They will be meeting to discuss allowing our “dirty power” onto their grid in the coming months. I agree it would be of value to get them in touch with utilities that have PV experience, nice suggestion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Karl Jaeger<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Operations Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>LightWave Solar Electric<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>www.lightwavesolar.com<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>R Ray Walters<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 16, 2011 12:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] "Keep that there PV off my grid!"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>FIrst, if they're intertied with the rest of the US grid, they already have some of that Pesky wind and solar power on their grid.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Seems to me that just some good old load data would show the PV output would never exceed the minimum daytime onsite usage.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'm guessing you would want to look at weekend afternoons.....?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Do you have any long term monitoring data?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I remember these fights from the 90s too.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Quote: " to the pioneers go the arrows, to the settlers go the spoils"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Many on this list have taken an arrow or two for the cause; sorry this is still happening in 2011.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My best ammo was putting them in touch with other utilities that have experience with PV, and not get mad.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>They're usually concerned with lineman safety, so their heart is in the right place, though not their brain.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Good Luck,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>R. Walters<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:ray@solarray.com">ray@solarray.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Solar Engineer<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 16, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Karl Jaeger wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks guys,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I had little doubt that the best source of industry knowledge would fail me.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Keep on keepin’ on,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Karl Jaeger</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Operations Manager</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>LightWave Solar Electric</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.lightwavesolar.com/">www.lightwavesolar.com</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-width:initial;border-color:initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Jeff Clearwater<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, February 16, 2011 2:00 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] "Keep that there PV off my grid!"</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Hi Karl,<br><br>Whether it's worth pursuing or not, I believe their stance is in violation of PURPA. I'm not an expert but I know others have won court cases over it. It is left up to the State to administer however I do believe. <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://DSire.org/">DSire.org</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>shows no net metering support in Alabama. I imagine someone else on the List knows more than I.<br><br>But it sounds in this case like the technical fix is more prudent - Everything has it's season.<br><br>Best of Luck,<br><br>Jeff C.<br>Village Power Design<br><br><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Greetings Esteemed Wrenches,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>My company was recently tasked to engineer a PV project in Alabama. We sat down for a meeting with all of the local big-shots. They proceeded to let us know that we are not allowed to feed any excess PV power onto their grid, production cannot exceed demand. I am hoping that y’all might be able to steer me towards a contactor assembly or device that would detect reverse current flow, trigger the contactor, then open up the inverter AC output circuit. The service is 3-phase, 208 volt. The maximum current we intend to introduce is 70 amps, continuous.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Appreciate your advice,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Karl Jaeger<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Operations Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>LightWave Solar Electric<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><a href="http://www.lightwavesolar.com/">www.lightwavesolar.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><pre><span style='color:black'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>List sponsored by Home Power magazine<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Options & settings:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>List-Archive: <a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>List rules & etiquette:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Check out participant bios:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org/">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Home Power magazine<br><br>List Address:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Options & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List-Archive:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br><br>Check out participant bios:<br><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org/">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>