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<DIV>From what I see, NABCEP is heavily hardware oriented, with only a smidgen
of actual problem solving and/or theory. It totally falls apart with battery
based systems, generally way undersizing them.</DIV>
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<DIV>The actual electrical knowledge required is minimal except for code and
wiring/hardware issues. Being certified will not make you capable of much – if
any – real troubleshooting.</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=nicksoleilsolar@yahoo.com
href="mailto:nicksoleilsolar@yahoo.com">Nick Soleil</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 07, 2011 2:16 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] NABCEP marketing</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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To become NABCEP certified, you only need to have installed 2 PV systems.
1 of those systems can be at a training class, and the other can be on your
brothers house. All that NABCEP Certified means is that I studied a list
of questions, and then passed the test. It is good to know that a
handrailing should be 39"-45" tall, and not 36"-42." However, that should
not come with any title, like 'Certified PV Installer.'
<BR> The experience requirements should be more
stringent. If it required some real experience, it would mean something,
but NABCEP wants as many participants as possible, so anyone can sit for it.<BR>
<DIV> <BR></DIV>Nick Soleil<BR>Project Manager<BR>Advanced
Alternative Energy Solutions, LLC<BR>PO Box 657<BR>Petaluma, CA 94953<BR>Cell:
707-321-2937<BR>Office: 707-789-9537<BR>Fax: 707-769-9037
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Dave Palumbo
<dave@independentpowerllc.com><BR><B><SPAN
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<re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org><BR><B><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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easy to become frustrated browsing, or studying, anyone’s marketing these days.
It’s OK to squeak once in a while on topics like this (in my opinion). NABCEP
has not been discussed too much lately and your comment brought some good
discussion to the group. Sounds like you are doing some good things in your
business. Many professionals have not passed the test on the first take.
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<P class=MsoNormal>I spent about $1500 for prep course, hotel, etc to pass the
entry level exam, so I have that. </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I spent about $2000 for prep, hotel, plane fare for the
certification but I failed the test. I am taking it again in March. I'm studying
harder this time.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I'm 62 and my memory is not what it used to be and was never
good at taking tests. When I design I have everything on my desk to refer to so
I don't have to rely on my memory. And I just love installing, I've been doing
it on boats for 30 years.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I'm sorry if you think I'm whining, maybe I'll just stop. I'm
just a competitive person and the ad ticked me off.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Feb 7, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Bill Hoffer wrote:</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>My PE is not required for the majority of work I do either,
but I get a considerable "edge" over my competition because I have invested the
time energy and went through the stress of taking the exam. It is the same
way with NABCEP, I have shown that I am willing to take the time, energy and
stress to get the qualification. I also appreciate the NABCEP taking the
time and effort to promote ME in their ads. After going through the time and
effort, it is good to get some tangible payback, and you want to take that away
from me, because you do not have the time to take the exam...give me a
break! You have the right to run your business and promote it as you see
fit and so do I! Does any qualification mean that you know everything, of
course not. If any one of us think that, then we should get out of the
business. Cause guess what, we are in a rapidly changing landscape where
we all are continually learning more and growing as an industry. Otherwise
there would not be much use in this blog at all. All an exam really means
is that you took the time, energy and stress to prepare for and take the exam,
which to me is a sign of professionalism. It is about time our industry
grows up! Is NABCEP perfect, of course not, but we all have the
opportunity to help to make this organization the best that it can be. I
applaud the pioneers who had the vision and that were willing to invest the
considerable amount of time, energy and stress to pull it off. If you can
do without it , more power to you, but don't whine to me about it being unfair
that we want to toot our horn about what we are trying to do for this
industry!<BR><BR>Bill</P></DIV>
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Solar PV Installer™</SPAN><BR>Sunergy Engineering Services PLLC<BR>2504 Columbia
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