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<DIV>I just got a similar call last Friday, from someone who had bought their
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<DIV>Somehow they managed to sell them a 6000 watt panel system for off grid
along with enough battery to last them about 3 hours. Along with the 24 225 watt
panels, they had also purchased a complete dual Outback VFX 48 volt 6000 watt+
inverter setup. And 400 amp-hours of golf car batteries...</DIV>
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<DIV>It is déjà vu all over again. It has gotten so bad in the past couple of
years that we stopped publishing our 800 tech support number. At least when they
call us for help with what they bought from a competitor they have to pay for
the phone call.</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=toddcory@finestplanet.com
href="mailto:toddcory@finestplanet.com">toddcory@finestplanet.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 28, 2011 6:09 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers installing solar = creative, new
installation methods</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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size=4 face=arial>I had a potential customer call me last week saying he had
just bought a "bunch of panels and those micro chip things (enphase inverters)
so he could get a end of the year tax break". He wanted me to come and install
it for him. I told him my work includes a comprehensive energy audit to gather
the low hanging fruit first. I also said I do not touch equipment I do not sell
or install systems I do not design and that I was sorry but I could not help
him. I wished him good luck in getting someone to touch that gear. Too bad the
cheapestsolar.com folks don't warn their customers about these kinds of
situations.<BR><BR>Just like the Carter gold rush days is
correct.<BR><BR>Todd<BR><BR>On Friday, January 28, 2011 2:52pm, "Darryl Thayer"
<daryl_solar@yahoo.com> said:<BR><BR>
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<DIV>I installed a system provides by another, it failed, because of defective
equipment, I am being sued to replace the defective equipment<BR>DT<BR></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> boB Gudgel
<boB@midnitesolar.com><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> RE-wrenches
<re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Fri, January 28, 2011 11:25:34
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [RE-wrenches]
Roofers installing solar = creative, new installation methods<BR></FONT><BR>On
1/28/2011 8:41 AM, Solar Energy Solutions wrote:
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<DIV>Our company cannot survive without selling an entire system.
When we help the unqualified and untrained we legitimize unsubstantiated
pv businesses. We get a dozen phone calls a month from folks
wanting us to install their systems. It is a rat hole and we have
learned that not only are such ventures unprofitable, they are fraught
with poor designs and a plethora of other hassles. This whole
thing reminds me of the Carter solar Gold Rush where, sure, a bunch of
systems were installed, but look at the damage it did to the
industry.</DIV>
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<DIV>Respectfully,
<BR><BR></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>I just hope
that the solar installers' industry doesn't have to start installing roofs, too
!!<BR><BR>boB<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=arial>Andrew Koyaanisqatsi</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=arial>President</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=arial>Solar Energy Solutions,
Inc.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=arial>Since 1987,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=arial>Moving Portland and Beyond </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=arial>to an Environmentally Sustainable
Future.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=arial><STRONG>503-238-4502</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="comic sans ms"><STRONG>"Better one's House too little
one day</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="comic sans ms"><STRONG>than too big all the Year
after."</STRONG></FONT></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 1/28/11, Joel
Davidson <I><A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
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wrote:<BR>
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Joel Davidson <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
href="mailto:joel.davidson@sbcglobal.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:joel.davidson@sbcglobal.net">mailto:joel.davidson@sbcglobal.net</A><BR>Subject:
Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers installing solar = creative, new
installation methods<BR>To: "RE-wrenches" <A
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href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel=nofollow
target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</A><BR>Date:
Friday, January 28, 2011, 7:06 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Guys,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>You're missing a business opportunity.
Instead of complaining about roofers' bad work and competition, show
the company owners photos of their screw-ups and your quality work.
Tell him that he is a risk. Then offer to do their design and
electrical installation (let them do the sales, roofing, and grunt
work).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Joel Davidson</FONT></DIV>
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rel=nofollow target=_blank>Warren Lauzon</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 28, 2011
3:35 AM</DIV>
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<DIV>We have seen a lot of the roofing companies nibbling around the
edges of solar installs lately. I have only seen a couple of
installs personally, and they were far from what I would call
professional or reliable. Not quite as bad as your example, but in
one case they had used Romex to run the wiring down to the inverter,
and not in conduit.</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=nicksoleilsolar@yahoo.com
href="http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nicksoleilsolar@yahoo.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>Nick Soleil</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:11 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
href="http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>
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<DIV
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wrenches:<BR> Have you noticed that roofing companies
have recently been trying to sell solar? One company thought
of something that I had never considered. Listen to this neat
story.<BR> I was servicing a job today, where a roofing
company recently removed and re-installed a PV array on a 12 degree
sloped roof. The funny thing is that the roofer didn't want to
penetrate his new roof, so he and the customer decided to leave the
panels sitting on the composition roof without any attachments to
the structure. They didn't think it was necessary!
<BR> Shortly afterward, the array slid down the
roof, and a MultiContact connector came unplugged. The
customer noticed that his system was not operating, and called us to
the site. <BR>
<DIV> </DIV>Nick Soleil<BR>Project Manager<BR>Advanced
Alternative Energy Solutions, LLC<BR>PO Box 657<BR>Petaluma, CA
94953<BR>Cell: 707-321-2937<BR>Office: 707-789-9537<BR>Fax:
707-769-9037
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