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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Learn from insurance companies who have become
experts at wording contracts that excluse pre-existing
conditions.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>See <A
href="http://definitions.uslegal.com/p/pre-existing-condition/">http://definitions.uslegal.com/p/pre-existing-condition/</A> and
lots of other info on the WWW.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=ray@solarray.com href="mailto:ray@solarray.com">R Ray Walters</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:48
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers
installing solar = creative,new installation methods</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Keith;
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<DIV>I try to catch some of those issues on our installs, but the problem is
that you then become responsible for every electrical issue on the property.
<DIV>If the wiring that you saw looked that bad, Keith, imagine what might be
hidden in the wall?</DIV>
<DIV>Sometimes its easier to have a nice clear line drawn: we did the solar,
everything else is their problem.</DIV>
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<DIV>I definitely start fixing stuff, if I feel its going to spill over and
make the solar malfunction. (clean up the load center wiring, service issues,
and grounding, knock out that 2nd fridge in the sun....)</DIV>
<DIV>However, rewiring an overloaded 4x4 box is something I recommend not
touching, unless you're being hired to rewire the whole place.</DIV>
<DIV>Just pulling out the wiring for inspection on some old 40's romex, can
cause enough insulation to crack and fall away, that when you push it back in
you will cause a short.</DIV>
<DIV>I hate being put in that position. Consider keeping the scope of work
just to the load center, and replace breakers with GFCI and AFCI
breakers.</DIV>
<DIV>Then you have substantially improved safety without opening any fresh
cans o' worms. (ie overstuffed 4x boxes filled with old wire)</DIV>
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<DIV><A href="mailto:ray@solarray.com">ray@solarray.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV>On Jan 29, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Keith Cronin wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To
support this idea further, this weekend we have our building trade show at
our local convention center.</DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">New
names, new faces in the solar industry each time I go. Today was no
different. Many are what I would describe as folks that only provide
solar installations. Others are offshoots of their respective trades, like
roofing.</DIV>
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<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Its
the low hanging fruit, in their eyes, but my sense is they could be
providing more value that the customers are looking for, but don't know its
even available.</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">If the margins are razor thin for PV,
why not offer other wrench services that others desire not to touch, as it
might not be as glamorous, but necessary.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I'm always surprised that when I get
invited out to an install, like I did this week, from one of my friendly
competitors, how they seem to flagrantly overlook other value added services
which could benefit the customer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Here was my short list (10) from a small
residential project I was invited to see this week: (full disclosure, the
home was old, code wise)</FONT></DIV>
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face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">1. GFCI receptacles- bathrooms, kitchen
counter, outside and near the clients pool.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">2. Smoke detectors- their were
opportunities to install 5 at this home and interconnect them to notify
everyone in the home, in the event of an emergency.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">3. Panel labeling- identifying the
circuits in the breaker box for the client.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">4. Upon removal of the panel cover-
clean up wiring fiasco's waiting to happen- doubled up wires on
breakers and a slew of other code issues.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">5. Open junction boxes with wires
essentially incapable of being stuffed into the 4x4 j-box; over an extension
cover and a blank plate.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">6. Broken receptacle in the hallway; I
suspect this is the vacuum cleaner plug and it was probably damaged due to
jerking out the cord instead of leaning over to pull it out.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">7. Fluorescent fixtures in
the garage-workshop zone; upgrade to T-8's and save $ on the utility
bill.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial,
helvetica, sans-serif">8. In our market, we have a
penchant for having the second refrigerator outside. This one was in the
sun, roasting at the end of the day. Checked the born on date and it was
1994. This is not energy efficient by any means. Brought my Brand meter and
was surprised at the amount of juice it was consuming. Recommended taking
the client to Sears and get an energy efficient one. Client has a
sentimental attachment to the refrigerator, but at my calcs, this
sentimental relationship was costing $22 a month.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">9. They had the ubiquitous extension
cord wrapped around the living room for a mondo computer station. I
recommended running a dedicated circuit to remedy the code/cord
situation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">10. In one section of the home, was
the original part of the house and there were still an old 6
circuit load center, filled to the gill with 12 circuits in it. Clearly this
was not designed to handle this much load and capacity, so I recommended
replacing it and or doing a calc to see if the feeder has reached its limits
and offer to re-route some of the circuits to the main panel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I recommended to my friend, the
competitor, to offer a free home inspection to identify the deficiencies in
their electrical infrastructure and add value to the relationship. Seems
simple, but often the PV is taking a front seat to other things. In a
competitive environment, that we are all in now, if we are all doing apples
to apples, then price seems to be the winner. When we add and offer
something else to the relationship, we have more than just a transaction.
When we all take the steps to raise the bar, others will follow. Everyones
name gets elevated, brand awareness wise and consumers will talk to each
other about their experiences and the value/education they've received.
Sure, some entities will do the minimum, as always. By providing a final
package to your customers, upon completion of your work, they would have
pictures, documents etc., to show the system in working condition (and
attached to the roof!!).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Over the years, I've always elected to
go out and fix others challenges, as it has offered me perspective and a way
to develop a relationship with someone who might have been a little ignorant
in their purchasing decisions. People tend to remember you, when this
happens and often you get referrals as a result. It also means
going into this type of relationship, delicately. I've not bashed the
competitor for what we've discovered, but to offer a solution to their
current situation and a step by step way to get there,
together.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Lastly, with technology today, you could
get a video camera, some boiler plate questions and ask your customers about
their experience with you and your company. Post them on your company
website, FB, wherever you market your services. Referrals, by far, are the
best conduit for the next project, or at least this has been my road to
success. People want to do business with people they like and trust and
price might not always be the final decision maker, as they really want a
company that will follow the golden rule and execute on their contracts
words.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">If you know what your overhead is every
day at your company, you can offer girl scout cookies, if you can't sell a
complete package to your prospective customers. Uncover their desires by
asking them what they want or what they've heard about solar, is a bridge to
understanding their needs first. Then can we deliver on their
needs.</FONT></DIV>
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face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><BR></FONT></DIV>
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face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Keith</FONT></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Nick Soleil <<A
href="mailto:nicksoleilsolar@yahoo.com">nicksoleilsolar@yahoo.com</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>RE-wrenches <<A
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Sat, January 29, 2011 9:24:12
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers
installing solar = creative, new installation methods<BR></FONT><BR>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi
Joel:<BR> For many years, when Petersen Dean was Old
Country Roofing, I would install the inverters and wiring for the Atlantis
Sunslate roofs that they would sell. I liked that partnership.
Also, I recognize that solar is less and less of a specialty anymore.
Sooner than later, I would expect that solar installations will be installed
largely by electricians, general contractors, and even roofing contractors
(as long as they carry appropriate licensing.)<BR>
However, many of my old partners, such as roofers who I have often referred,
are now entering the solar industry. So my partners are becoming
my competitors. They have that right. <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR> My hope is
that whoever is installing solar, will at least provide a quality
installation. What worries me about the system I serviced this week,
where the modules were left sitting on a sloped roof without attachments, is
that the roofing attachments is the aspect of the project that the roofer
should be able to do best, but they skipped that step. That gives me
some concern for the safety of PV system owners and their neighbors.<BR>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV>Nick Soleil<BR>Project
Manager<BR>Advanced Alternative Energy Solutions, LLC<BR>PO Box
657<BR>Petaluma, CA 94953<BR>Cell: 707-321-2937<BR>Office:
707-789-9537<BR>Fax: 707-769-9037
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Joel Davidson <<A
href="mailto:joel.davidson@sbcglobal.net">joel.davidson@sbcglobal.net</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>RE-wrenches <<A
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Fri, January 28, 2011 6:55:21
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers
installing solar = creative, new installation methods<BR></FONT><BR>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Andrew,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Carter era contractors did
not kneecap alternative energy industry in the 1970s, but that's not a
wrenches subject.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Sure, everyone has stories
about bad customers, GCs, subs, equipment, etc. Some of us are
honest enough to admit that we have made a mistake or two. You don't
have to work for or with people you don't like or buy equipment you don't
like. But I don't know anyone in the building or energy industry who
does not work with others.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>Few
contractors nowadays do all the trades in-house. Do you sub out
structural engineering, surveying, roofing, arborist, concrete cutting,
crane, etc.? Then what's wrong with you being a sub if
you like the other guy's work and can control design and electrical
installation or whatever you need to control? There are plenty of decent
contractors in your service area who would like to have a good go-to PV
company just as you like to have good go-to roofer. You know your
design and electrical costs and what margin you need for that portion of
your work. So what's the hassle?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Joel Davidson</FONT></DIV>
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class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
title=solarenergysolutions@yahoo.com
href="mailto:solarenergysolutions@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:solarenergysolutions@yahoo.com">Solar Energy
Solutions</A></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
title=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Friday, January 28, 2011 8:41
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers
installing solar = creative,new installation methods</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Joel,</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Our company cannot survive without selling
an entire system. When we help the unqualified and untrained
we legitimize unsubstantiated pv businesses. We get a
dozen phone calls a month from folks wanting us to install their
systems. It is a rat hole and we have learned that not
only are such ventures unprofitable, they are fraught with poor
designs and a plethora of other hassles. This whole thing
reminds me of the Carter solar Gold Rush where, sure, a bunch of
systems were installed, but look at the damage it did to the
industry.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Respectfully, <BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><STRONG><FONT face=arial>Andrew
Koyaanisqatsi</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT face=arial>President</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><STRONG><FONT face=arial>Solar Energy
Solutions, Inc.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT face=arial>Since 1987,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT face=arial>Moving Portland and
Beyond</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT face=arial>to an Environmentally
Sustainable Future.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT face=arial></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT
face=arial><STRONG>503-238-4502</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><STRONG><FONT face=System><A
href="http://www.solarenergyoregon.com/" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>www.solarenergyoregon.com</A></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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face="comic sans ms"><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT face="comic sans ms"><STRONG>"Better
one's House too little one day</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT face="comic sans ms"><STRONG>than too
big all the Year after."</STRONG></FONT></DIV><BR><BR>--- On<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>Fri, 1/28/11, Joel
Davidson<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><I><<A
href="mailto:joel.davidson@sbcglobal.net">joel.davidson@sbcglobal.net</A>></I></B><SPAN
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<BLOCKQUOTE
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Joel Davidson <<A
href="mailto:joel.davidson@sbcglobal.net">joel.davidson@sbcglobal.net</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers installing solar = creative, new
installation methods<BR>To: "RE-wrenches" <<A
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>><BR>Date:
Friday, January 28, 2011, 7:06 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=2
face=Arial>Guys,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=2 face=Arial>You're missing a
business opportunity. Instead of complaining about roofers' bad
work and competition, show the company owners photos of their
screw-ups and your quality work. Tell him that he is a risk. Then
offer to do their design and electrical installation (let them do
the sales, roofing, and grunt work).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Joel
Davidson</FONT></DIV>
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title=warren@wind-sun.com
href="http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=warren@wind-sun.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>Warren Lauzon</A></DIV>
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2011 3:35 AM</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">We have seen a lot of the roofing
companies nibbling around the edges of solar installs lately. I
have only seen a couple of installs personally, and they were
far from what I would call professional or reliable. Not quite
as bad as your example, but in one case they had used Romex to
run the wiring down to the inverter, and not in conduit.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><B>From:</B><SPAN
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
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2011 8:11 PM</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[RE-wrenches] Roofers
installing solar = creative,new installation
methods</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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wrenches:<BR> Have you noticed that roofing
companies have recently been trying to sell solar? One
company thought of something that I had never considered.
Listen to this neat story.<BR> I was servicing a job
today, where a roofing company recently removed and re-installed
a PV array on a 12 degree sloped roof. The funny thing is
that the roofer didn't want to penetrate his new roof, so he and
the customer decided to leave the panels sitting on the
composition roof without any attachments to the structure.
They didn't think it was necessary! <SPAN
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Shortly afterward, the array slid down the roof, and a
MultiContact connector came unplugged. The customer
noticed that his system was not operating, and called us to the
site. <SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV>Nick Soleil<BR>Project
Manager<BR>Advanced Alternative Energy Solutions, LLC<BR>PO Box
657<BR>Petaluma, CA 94953<BR>Cell: 707-321-2937<BR>Office:
707-789-9537<BR>Fax: 707-769-9037
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