<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Hi Joel:<br>    For many years, when  Petersen Dean was Old Country Roofing, I would install the inverters and wiring for the Atlantis Sunslate roofs that they would sell.  I liked that partnership.  Also, I recognize that solar is less and less of a specialty anymore.  Sooner than later, I would expect that solar installations will be installed largely by electricians, general contractors, and even roofing contractors (as long as they carry appropriate licensing.)<br>    However, many of my old partners, such as roofers who I have often referred, are now entering the solar industry.   So my partners are becoming my competitors.  They have that right.  <br>    My hope is that whoever is installing solar, will at least
 provide a quality installation.  What worries me about the system I serviced this week, where the modules were left sitting on a sloped roof without attachments, is that the roofing attachments is the aspect of the project that the roofer should be able to do best, but they skipped that step.  That gives me some concern for the safety of PV system owners and their neighbors.<br><div> </div>Nick Soleil<br>Project Manager<br>Advanced Alternative Energy Solutions, LLC<br>PO Box 657<br>Petaluma, CA 94953<br>Cell:   707-321-2937<br>Office: 707-789-9537<br>Fax:    707-769-9037<div><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Joel Davidson <joel.davidson@sbcglobal.net><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
 RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, January 28, 2011 6:55:21 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers installing solar = creative, new installation methods<br></font><br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Andrew,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Carter era contractors did not kneecap alternative 
energy industry in the 1970s, but that's not a wrenches 
subject.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sure, everyone has stories about bad customers, 
GCs, subs, equipment, etc. Some of us are honest enough to admit 
that we have made a mistake or two. You don't have to work for or with 
people you don't like or buy equipment you don't like. But I don't know 
anyone in the building or energy industry who does not work with 
others.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>Few contractors nowadays do all 
the trades in-house. Do you sub out structural engineering, surveying, 
roofing, arborist, concrete cutting, crane, etc.? Then what's wrong with 
you being a sub if you like the other guy's work and can control 
design and electrical installation or whatever you need to control? There are 
plenty of decent contractors in your service area who would like to have a good 
go-to PV company just as you like to have good go-to roofer. You know your 
design and electrical costs and what margin you need for that portion of your 
work. So what's the hassle?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Joel Davidson</font></div>
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  <div style="font: 10pt arial; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(228, 228, 228);"><b>From:</b> 
  <a rel="nofollow" title="solarenergysolutions@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:solarenergysolutions@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:solarenergysolutions@yahoo.com">Solar Energy Solutions</a> </div>
  <div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</a> </div>
  <div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 28, 2011 8:41 
  AM</div>
  <div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers 
  installing solar = creative,new installation methods</div>
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        <div>Joel,</div>
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        <div>Our company cannot survive without selling an entire system.  
        When we help the unqualified and untrained we legitimize unsubstantiated 
        pv businesses.  We get  a dozen phone calls a month from folks 
        wanting us to install their systems.  It is a rat hole and we 
        have learned that not only are such ventures unprofitable, they are 
        fraught with poor designs and a plethora of other hassles.  This 
        whole thing reminds me of the Carter solar Gold Rush where, sure, a 
        bunch of systems were installed, but look at the damage it did to the 
        industry.</div>
        <div> </div>
        <div>Respectfully, <br><br><br></div>
        <div><strong><font face="arial">Andrew Koyaanisqatsi</font></strong></div>
        <div><font face="arial">President</font></div>
        <div><strong><font face="arial">Solar Energy Solutions, 
        Inc.</font></strong></div>
        <div><font face="arial">Since 1987,</font></div>
        <div><font face="arial">Moving Portland and Beyond </font></div>
        <div><font face="arial">to an Environmentally Sustainable 
        Future.</font></div>
        <div><font face="arial"></font></div>
        <div><font face="arial"><strong>503-238-4502</strong></font></div>
        <div><strong><font face="System"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.solarenergyoregon.com/">www.solarenergyoregon.com</a> </font></strong></div>
        <div><font face="comic sans ms"><strong></strong></font> </div>
        <div><font face="comic sans ms"><strong>"Better one's House too little 
        one day</strong></font></div>
        <div><font face="comic sans ms"><strong>than too big all the Year 
        after."</strong></font></div><br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 1/28/11, Joel 
        Davidson <i><joel.davidson@sbcglobal.net></i></b> wrote:<br>
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          Joel Davidson <joel.davidson@sbcglobal.net><br>Subject: Re: 
          [RE-wrenches] Roofers installing solar = creative, new installation 
          methods<br>To: "RE-wrenches" 
          <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org><br>Date: Friday, January 28, 
          2011, 7:06 AM<br><br>
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          <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Guys,</font></div>
          <div><font face="Arial" size="2">You're missing a business opportunity. 
          Instead of complaining about roofers' bad work and 
          competition, show the company owners photos of their screw-ups 
          and your quality work. Tell him that he is a risk. Then offer to do 
          their design and electrical installation (let them do the sales, 
          roofing, and grunt work).</font></div>
          <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Joel Davidson</font></div>
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            <div style="font: 10pt arial; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(228, 228, 228);"><b>From:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="warren@wind-sun.com" target="_blank" href="http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=warren@wind-sun.com">Warren Lauzon</a> </div>
            <div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" href="http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</a> 
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            <div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 28, 2011 
            3:35 AM</div>
            <div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] 
            Roofers installing solar = creative,new installation methods</div>
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            <div>We have seen a lot of the roofing companies nibbling around the 
            edges of solar installs lately. I have only seen a couple of 
            installs personally, and they were far from what I would call 
            professional or reliable. Not quite as bad as your example, but in 
            one case they had used Romex to run the wiring down to the inverter, 
            and not in conduit.</div>
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            <div><b>From:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="nicksoleilsolar@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nicksoleilsolar@yahoo.com">Nick Soleil</a> </div>
            <div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:11 PM</div>
            <div><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" href="http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a> 
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            <div><b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches] Roofers installing solar = 
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            <div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Hi 
            wrenches:<br>   Have you noticed that roofing companies 
            have recently been trying to sell solar?  One company thought 
            of something that I had never considered.  Listen to this neat 
            story.<br>   I was servicing a job today, where a roofing 
            company recently removed and re-installed a PV array on a 12 degree 
            sloped roof.  The funny thing is that the roofer didn't want to 
            penetrate his new roof, so he and the customer decided to leave the 
            panels sitting on the composition roof without any attachments to 
            the structure.  They didn't think it was necessary!  
            <br>    Shortly afterward, the array slid down the 
            roof, and a MultiContact connector came unplugged.  The 
            customer noticed that his system was not operating, and called us to 
            the site.  <br>
            <div> </div>Nick Soleil<br>Project Manager<br>Advanced 
            Alternative Energy Solutions, LLC<br>PO Box 657<br>Petaluma, CA 
            94953<br>Cell: 707-321-2937<br>Office: 707-789-9537<br>Fax: 
            707-769-9037 
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