<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Hi Joel:<br> For many years, when Petersen Dean was Old Country Roofing, I would install the inverters and wiring for the Atlantis Sunslate roofs that they would sell. I liked that partnership. Also, I recognize that solar is less and less of a specialty anymore. Sooner than later, I would expect that solar installations will be installed largely by electricians, general contractors, and even roofing contractors (as long as they carry appropriate licensing.)<br> However, many of my old partners, such as roofers who I have often referred, are now entering the solar industry. So my partners are becoming my competitors. They have that right. <br> My hope is that whoever is installing solar, will at least
provide a quality installation. What worries me about the system I serviced this week, where the modules were left sitting on a sloped roof without attachments, is that the roofing attachments is the aspect of the project that the roofer should be able to do best, but they skipped that step. That gives me some concern for the safety of PV system owners and their neighbors.<br><div> </div>Nick Soleil<br>Project Manager<br>Advanced Alternative Energy Solutions, LLC<br>PO Box 657<br>Petaluma, CA 94953<br>Cell: 707-321-2937<br>Office: 707-789-9537<br>Fax: 707-769-9037<div><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Joel Davidson <joel.davidson@sbcglobal.net><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, January 28, 2011 6:55:21 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Roofers installing solar = creative, new installation methods<br></font><br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Andrew,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Carter era contractors did not kneecap alternative
energy industry in the 1970s, but that's not a wrenches
subject.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sure, everyone has stories about bad customers,
GCs, subs, equipment, etc. Some of us are honest enough to admit
that we have made a mistake or two. You don't have to work for or with
people you don't like or buy equipment you don't like. But I don't know
anyone in the building or energy industry who does not work with
others.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>Few contractors nowadays do all
the trades in-house. Do you sub out structural engineering, surveying,
roofing, arborist, concrete cutting, crane, etc.? Then what's wrong with
you being a sub if you like the other guy's work and can control
design and electrical installation or whatever you need to control? There are
plenty of decent contractors in your service area who would like to have a good
go-to PV company just as you like to have good go-to roofer. You know your
design and electrical costs and what margin you need for that portion of your
work. So what's the hassle?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Joel Davidson</font></div>
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<a rel="nofollow" title="solarenergysolutions@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:solarenergysolutions@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:solarenergysolutions@yahoo.com">Solar Energy Solutions</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 28, 2011 8:41
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<div>Our company cannot survive without selling an entire system.
When we help the unqualified and untrained we legitimize unsubstantiated
pv businesses. We get a dozen phone calls a month from folks
wanting us to install their systems. It is a rat hole and we
have learned that not only are such ventures unprofitable, they are
fraught with poor designs and a plethora of other hassles. This
whole thing reminds me of the Carter solar Gold Rush where, sure, a
bunch of systems were installed, but look at the damage it did to the
industry.</div>
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<div>Respectfully, <br><br><br></div>
<div><strong><font face="arial">Andrew Koyaanisqatsi</font></strong></div>
<div><font face="arial">President</font></div>
<div><strong><font face="arial">Solar Energy Solutions,
Inc.</font></strong></div>
<div><font face="arial">Since 1987,</font></div>
<div><font face="arial">Moving Portland and Beyond </font></div>
<div><font face="arial">to an Environmentally Sustainable
Future.</font></div>
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<div><font face="arial"><strong>503-238-4502</strong></font></div>
<div><strong><font face="System"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.solarenergyoregon.com/">www.solarenergyoregon.com</a> </font></strong></div>
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<div><font face="comic sans ms"><strong>"Better one's House too little
one day</strong></font></div>
<div><font face="comic sans ms"><strong>than too big all the Year
after."</strong></font></div><br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 1/28/11, Joel
Davidson <i><joel.davidson@sbcglobal.net></i></b> wrote:<br>
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Joel Davidson <joel.davidson@sbcglobal.net><br>Subject: Re:
[RE-wrenches] Roofers installing solar = creative, new installation
methods<br>To: "RE-wrenches"
<re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org><br>Date: Friday, January 28,
2011, 7:06 AM<br><br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Guys,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">You're missing a business opportunity.
Instead of complaining about roofers' bad work and
competition, show the company owners photos of their screw-ups
and your quality work. Tell him that he is a risk. Then offer to do
their design and electrical installation (let them do the sales,
roofing, and grunt work).</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Joel Davidson</font></div>
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<div>We have seen a lot of the roofing companies nibbling around the
edges of solar installs lately. I have only seen a couple of
installs personally, and they were far from what I would call
professional or reliable. Not quite as bad as your example, but in
one case they had used Romex to run the wiring down to the inverter,
and not in conduit.</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="nicksoleilsolar@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nicksoleilsolar@yahoo.com">Nick Soleil</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:11 PM</div>
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<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Hi
wrenches:<br> Have you noticed that roofing companies
have recently been trying to sell solar? One company thought
of something that I had never considered. Listen to this neat
story.<br> I was servicing a job today, where a roofing
company recently removed and re-installed a PV array on a 12 degree
sloped roof. The funny thing is that the roofer didn't want to
penetrate his new roof, so he and the customer decided to leave the
panels sitting on the composition roof without any attachments to
the structure. They didn't think it was necessary!
<br> Shortly afterward, the array slid down the
roof, and a MultiContact connector came unplugged. The
customer noticed that his system was not operating, and called us to
the site. <br>
<div> </div>Nick Soleil<br>Project Manager<br>Advanced
Alternative Energy Solutions, LLC<br>PO Box 657<br>Petaluma, CA
94953<br>Cell: 707-321-2937<br>Office: 707-789-9537<br>Fax:
707-769-9037
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