<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Hi Kelly:<br> Are you sure about the XHHW listing. Doesn't that designate aluminum wire? You mentioned CU before. <br> I have seen some discolloration from copper wire against module frames, but not real corrosion. <br><div> </div>Nick Soleil<br>Project Manager<br>Advanced Alternative Energy Solutions, LLC<br>PO Box 657<br>Petaluma, CA 94953<br>Cell: 707-321-2937<br>Office: 707-789-9537<br>Fax: 707-769-9037<div><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> "Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind"
<kelly@whidbeysunwind.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, January 14, 2011 3:06:09 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Incompatible Metals<br></font><br>
<meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="off">Scott,<div>300.3(2) allows grounding and bonding conductors to be outside of a raceway. See 250.134(B), exception 2. <br><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><br></div><div>Kelly Keilwitz, P.E. </div><div>Principal</div><div>Whidbey Sun & Wind</div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Renewable Energy Systems</span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"></span>NABCEP Certified PV Installer</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">WA Electrical Administrator</span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">987
Wanamaker Rd.</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">Coupeville, WA 98239</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kelly@whidbeysunwind.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:kelly@whidbeysunwind.com">kelly@whidbeysunwind.com</a></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">PH & FAX: 360.678.7131</span></font></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div><div>On Jan 14, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Scott McCalmont wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>300.3(A) prohibits the use of XHHW outside of a recognized wiring method, which means you need a conduit or raceway. You can use USE-2 in an exposed outdoor location only because 690.31(B)
allows it, but only for module interconnections.<br><br>Scott<br><br>On Jan 14, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Peter,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Yes the #10 XHHW (2) we use is green-jacketed, and 90˚ rated. We get it through our local electrical supply house.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Kelly Keilwitz, P.E.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Whidbey Sun & Wind<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Renewable Energy Systems<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kelly@whidbeysunwind.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:kelly@whidbeysunwind.com">kelly@whidbeysunwind.com</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">360-678-7131<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote
type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Jan 14, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Peter Parrish wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Great idea Kelly! I didn't know one could get green jacketed USE or XHHW. Do<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">you have a source? Also, do you think that we might need wire rated "-2" for<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">90 deg C wet locations. I know that this is not a current carrying<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">conductor, but roof tops are definitely 90 deg C wet environments. Your<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">thoughts?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote
type="cite">- Peter<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Peter T. Parrish, Ph.D., President<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">California Solar Engineering, Inc.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">820 Cynthia Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90065<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">CA Lic. 854779, NABCEP Cert. 031806-26<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peter.parrish@calsolareng.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:peter.parrish@calsolareng.com">peter.parrish@calsolareng.com</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Ph 323-258-8883,
Mobile 323-839-6108, Fax 323-258-8885<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-----Original Message-----<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">[<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] On Behalf Of Kelly<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Keilwitz,
Whidbey Sun & Wind<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:14 AM<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To: RE-wrenches<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Incompatible Metals<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Peter,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I have never understood the common practice of using bare copper<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">ground wire on and against aluminum frames and modules. It always has<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">been a dissimilar metals issue. Just look anywhere copper has
set<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">against aluminum for awhile.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">We use #10 green jacketed Cu USE or XHHW conductor and strip away the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">jacket at each lug, using No-Ox on that section of bare wire at the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">lug. The wire can be tucked in to the module frames and with the PV<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">conductors.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Kelly Keilwitz, P.E.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Whidbey Sun & Wind<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote
type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Renewable Energy Systems<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kelly@whidbeysunwind.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:kelly@whidbeysunwind.com">kelly@whidbeysunwind.com</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">360-678-7131<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Jan 14, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Peter Parrish wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote
type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">One of my students who is currently responsible for standing for<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">inspection<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">at their company encountered a inspector who made an interesting<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">point about<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">incompatible metals (i.e. copper and anodized aluminum).<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The PV system in question used
outdoor rated lay-in lugs to bond the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">rails<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to bare copper wire (so far so good). The ground wire was then zip-<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">tied to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the rail to carry it to the point where it entered a junction box<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">along with<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the rest of the PV conductors.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote
type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The inspector was concerned with the fact that the bare copper was in<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">contact with the aluminum rails and that this might cause galvanic<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">corrosion<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">and subsequent failure of the grounding.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I have never encountered this
issue before and I wonder if anyone<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">else has<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">and what was the outcome.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">As an aside: I do know that 10 AWG and 12 AWG solid bare copper<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">wire can be<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">purchased "pre-tinned" (maybe not tin per se, but coated). We did so<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote
type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">by<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">mistake. We used it up, but not before one inspector questioned its<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">use for<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the purpose of grounding our system. We showed him the UL label on<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the spool<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">and scraped off the coating to expose the copper core and that<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote
type="cite">satisfied<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">him. To this day I don't know if the use of this wire for grounding<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">was<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">among its intended purposes.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">- Peter<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Peter T. Parrish, Ph.D.,
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