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    On 11/20/2010 4:36 PM, Mark Frye wrote:
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      <div dir="ltr" align="left"><font size="2" color="#0000ff"
          face="Arial"><span class="515233300-21112010">From the 2006
            white paper:</span></font></div>
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          <p align="left"><font size="1"><span
                class="515233300-21112010">"</span>Polarization</font></p>
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        <p align="left"><font size="1" face="Helvetica">Incorrect
            grounding of SunPower modules can induce<span
              class="515233300-21112010"> </span>a surface charge which
            would lower the energy<span class="515233300-21112010"> </span>production.
            Previously SunPower has announced the</font></p>
        <p align="left"><font size="1" face="Helvetica">discovery of the
            "surface polarization" effect which creates</font></p>
        <p align="left"><font size="1" face="Helvetica">a
            non-destructive and reversible accumulation of static</font></p>
        <p align="left"><font size="1" face="Helvetica">charge on the
            surface of high-efficiency solar cells such as</font></p>
        <p align="left"><font size="1" face="Helvetica">SunPower's A-300
            cells [9]. When the cells have a high</font></p>
        <p align="left"><font size="1" face="Helvetica">positive voltage
            with respect to ground,</font></p>
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    How high though ??  I would think that there might be some<br>
    curve that might show how high of V produces  how much degradation ?<br>
    <br>
    I assume that the lower voltage modules in the string work better ??<br>
    <br>
    Maybe it's the other way around and the high voltage modules work
    better<br>
    when in a positive grounded system ?<br>
    <br>
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        <p align="left"><font size="1" face="Helvetica"> a negative
            static</font></p>
        <p align="left"><font size="1" face="Helvetica">charge is built
            up on the surface of the cell due to current</font></p>
        <p align="left"><font size="1" face="Helvetica">leakage through
            the glass and the highly insulating front</font></p>
        <p align="left"><font size="1" face="Helvetica">surface
            anti-reflection coating of the cell. </font></p>
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    I bet (or hope) that they fix this some day by changing the
    composition of<br>
    the glass, slightly, maybe.<br>
    <br>
    Nobody seems to talk about this except for this one paper that we
    see.<br>
    <br>
    boB<br>
    <br>
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        <p align="left"><font size="1" face="Helvetica">This negative</font></p>
        <p align="left"><font size="1" face="Helvetica">static charge
            causes increased surface recombination and</font></p>
        <p align="left"><font size="1" face="Helvetica">the performance
            of the module is reduced. If the polarity</font></p>
        <p align="left"><font size="1" face="Helvetica">is reversed and
            the cells are highly negative with respect</font></p>
        <p align="left"><font size="1" face="Helvetica">to ground, the
            negative static charge is replaced by a</font></p>
        <p align="left"><font size="1" face="Helvetica">positive static
            charge which restores the module</font></p>
        <p align="left"><font face="Helvetica"><font size="1">performance.<span
                class="515233300-21112010">"</span></font></font></p>
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        <span lang="en-us"><font size="2" face="Arial">Mark Frye</font></span>
        <br>
        <span lang="en-us"><font size="2" face="Arial">Berkeley Solar
            Electric Systems</font></span> <br>
        <span lang="en-us"><font size="2" face="Arial">303 Redbud Way</font></span>
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        <span lang="en-us"><font size="2" face="Arial">Nevada City,  CA
            95959</font></span> <br>
        <span lang="en-us"><font size="2" face="Arial">(530) 401-8024</font></span>
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        <span lang="en-us"></span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://www.berkeleysolar.com/"><span lang="en-us"><u><font
                size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial">www.berkeleysolar.com</font></u></span></a><span
          lang="en-us"><font size="2" face="Arial"> </font></span> </p>
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        <font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b>
          <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
          [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On
            Behalf Of </b>jay peltz<br>
          <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:30 PM<br>
          <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com">Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</a>; RE-wrenches<br>
          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Positive-ground question re
          Sunpower<br>
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      Hi Allan,
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      <div>I have seen the white paper from Sunpower, ( but don't have a
        copy) that shows the losses as the voltage rises if using neg
        ground.</div>
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      <div>But from memory, if using at low voltages such as two in
        series there should be minimal if any "loss" of watts.</div>
      <div>If you could use them as singles, for say a 12v system then
        there is no loss.</div>
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      <div>Jay</div>
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      <div>Peltz power</div>
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