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Ditto what Phil and Bill said. Also, I've found that you must add a few sizes larger on the diameter of the hole as the straw tends to fill the gap as it's drilled. On a recent job we had to utilize a 2" hole for 1.25" conduit and it still needed to be forced a bit. Downward slope is great advice too. Luckily my customer did that by mistake.<div><br></div><div>Have fun, Nick</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 19, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Phil Undercuffler wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><font size="2"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; ">Having a fair bit of experience with bale, I ditto what Bill mentioned but I'll add a simple way that I discovered to getting the inside and outside holes to line up. </span></font></font><div> <font size="2"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; "><br></span></font></font></div><div><font size="2"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; ">Bale walls are seriously thick, so standard extension bits aren't long enough. I found taking a 2 or foot length of 3/8" rebar chucked into a half inch drill works nicely for boring a pilot hole all the way through the wall. Once you have the pilot hole, it's a simple matter of drilling out a hole large enough for your conduit on both sides of the wall. Either use a small bit to drill a series of holes around the perimeter and connect the dots with a cold chisel, or use a hole saw that you don't mind sacrificing on the plaster. You don't actually have to "drill" through the entire wall, as the straw can be pushed to the side. I usually spin the rebar in the hole while chunking it back and forth a few times to clear a path, then thread the conduit through the hole using the rebar as a guide to be able to find the hole on the other side. It really helps to have a second person on the other side, to help guide it in the final inches.</span></font></font></div> <div><br></div><div><font size="2"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; "></span></font></font>Rebar as a drill bit also works great with adobe walls. </div><div> <br></div><div>If you do a lot of this, take a minute to grind down a flat spot on the end of the bar or it will tear up your drill chuck. Drill chucks can be spendy. Ask me how I know...<br><div><font size="2"><br></font></div> <div><font size="2"><br clear="all"></font>Phil Undercuffler<br><br> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Bill Hoffer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sunengser@gmail.com">sunengser@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> Benn<br><br>I used PVC in the my bale walls with a Junction Box on both sides of the penetration to protect the penetration (Outside a must!). I used EMT for all my other wiring, but PVC seems better for an interior to exterior penetration where the heat conduction of the EMT may cause some damaging condensation towards the exterior of the bales. I used a hammer drill and concrete bits to get through my stucco, it is tough stuff. I used 2 " conduit so I had to make several smaller holes and knock it out by hand. I did not have rebar in my bales, but heavyduty 6x6 mesh to get through, as would be expected I never was able to hit the middle of the grid, I just had to cut and hack saw when I hit something, pays to have a sacrificial bit to find the metal. I then fashioned a home made bit out of the conduit and used that to get through the bales by hand. That went pretty easy and will allow you to locate the rebar without damaging an expensive bit . Hard part is lining up to get a good mark on the opposite side. I used foam to fill any gaps, replastered around the pipe and fitting and caulked really well to seal against water on the outside. I also located the JB on the outside of the building in a very protected area for additional security. Water and straw bales do not play well together! If anything I would favor a slight slope downward on the outside so if there is a leak it will not follow the pipe inward into the bales.<br> <br>Hope that helps!<br><br>Bill<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:05 AM, benn kilburn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:benn@daystarsolar.ca" target="_blank">benn@daystarsolar.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br> </div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div></div><div class="h5"> <div> Wrenches, <div>Short of contacting the builder, i'm looking for your experiences, practices and "look-out's" for penetrating a strawbale exterior wall with conduit.</div><div><br></div><div>For the project in question there is currently a teck cable from a wind gen entering the home by sharing a HRV vent opening that i want to fix (not my original system by the way) and i will also be adding another penetration for a PV array that i am relocating on the property. The original penetration for the PV was done properly but its not in an ideal location for the re-located array wiring.</div> <div><br></div><div>I'm wondering if it is as simple as using a hole saw extension to go thru the ~16" wall and use an LB/box on either side. I'm sure there is some framework and/or rebar supporting the bales, how do you locate/avoid these when there are no corners to measure from? (it is a round home) </div> <div>Any knowledge if PVC or EMT will react in anyway with the bales? I'm thinking that PVC would be best....?</div><div><br></div><div>... i am trying to contact the builder to address this, and also to ask a few choice questions regarding the wiring methods (he?) used in the original PV system set-up.</div> <div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>benn<br><br><span style="color:rgb(0, 32, 96)"><font face="'Franklin Gothic Medium'">DayStar Renewable Energy Inc. </font></span><div><div><font face="'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><a href="mailto:benn@daystarsolar.ca" target="_blank">benn@daystarsolar.ca</a></font></div> <div><font face="'Franklin Gothic Medium'">780-906-7807 </font></div><div><font face="'Franklin Gothic Medium'">HAVE A SUNNY DAY </font></div><div><br></div></div><br><br></div> </div> <br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br> List sponsored by Home Power magazine<br> <br> List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br> <br> Options & settings:<br> <a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br> <br> List-Archive: <a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br> <br> List rules & etiquette:<br> <a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm" target="_blank">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br> <br> Check out participant bios:<br> <a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><br> <br> <br></blockquote></div><font color="#888888"><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Bill Hoffer PE<br>Sunergy Engineering Services PLLC<br>2504 Columbia Ave NW<br>East Wenatchee WA 98802-3941<br><a href="mailto:SunEngSer@gmail.com" target="_blank">SunEngSer@gmail.com</a> (509)470-7762<br> Cell(509)679-6165<br><br> </font><br>_______________________________________________<br> List sponsored by Home Power magazine<br> <br> List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br> <br> Options & settings:<br> <a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br> <br> List-Archive: <a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br> <br> List rules & etiquette:<br> <a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm" target="_blank">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br> <br> Check out participant bios:<br> <a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><br> <br> <br></blockquote></div><br></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; 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