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    Ah yes, the dreaded F3. <br>
    <br>
    Loss of communication between the Cu200 controller and the pump.<br>
    Grundfos has had this problem on and off for several years now and I
    wish they would<br>
    correct it once and for all. We've had 9 systems with the F3 fault
    and 8 were bad CU200s<br>
    and only one was the pump. In all cases, it was a bad modem.<br>
    <br>
    Other than the F3 troubles, we've had no problems with the SQflex
    pump line.<br>
    <br>
    I too am interested in feedback on the Lorentz pump line. We had a
    ton of trouble with<br>
    them when they were the Regreta pump systems but hopefully they have
    improved.<br>
    I'm more than ready to try a pump line from a company that's
    responsive to factory defects <br>
    and feedback from the field. Everything that Grundfos is not.<br>
     <br>
    Grundfos....are you listening? Hello.....?<br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Roy Butler
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®
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a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

                
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    On 11/8/2010 7:47 PM, Gary Gordon at SYV Solar wrote:
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      <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="421043600-09112010"><font
            size="2" face="Arial">Wrenches,</font></span></div>
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      <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="421043600-09112010"><font
            size="2" face="Arial">More details on the Grundfos failures:</font></span></div>
      <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="421043600-09112010"><font
            size="2" face="Arial">  1st failure 11 SQF-2 w/ 204ft TDH </font></span></div>
      <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="421043600-09112010"></span><span
          class="421043600-09112010"><font size="2" face="Arial">  2nd
            failure 6 SQF-2 w/ 220ft. TDH </font></span></div>
      <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="421043600-09112010"></span><span
          class="421043600-09112010"><font size="2" face="Arial">  3rd
            failure  6 SQF-2 w/ 253ft. TDH </font></span></div>
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      <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="421043600-09112010"><font
            size="2" face="Arial">All controllers were displaying F3
            failures, there was voltage at the well head. Only one
            replaced so far and seems to work fine.</font></span></div>
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      <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="421043600-09112010"><font
            size="2" face="Arial">Any ideas or similar problems?</font></span></div>
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      <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="421043600-09112010">
          <div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial">Gary Gordon</font></div>
          <div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial">Santa Ynez
              Valley Solar</font></div>
          <div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial">P. O. Box 688</font></div>
          <div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial">Santa Ynez, CA 
              93460</font></div>
          <div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial">805 688-1213</font></div>
          <div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Gary@SYVSolar.com">Gary@SYVSolar.com</a></font></div>
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        <font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b>
          <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
          [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On
            Behalf Of </b>Mike Nelson<br>
          <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 06, 2010 10:07 AM<br>
          <b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos<br>
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      <div>Doug, </div>
      <div>Thanks for the feedback. I have to install the monoflo,
        because it was purchased 2 summers ago, but the customer didn't
        have the site work done to install the pump. This summer the
        site work was finished and now the customer is ready to have the
        system installed, so wish me luck!</div>
      <div> </div>
      <div>DC Power is getting out of the pumping biz, so is Wholesale
        solar up north, hopefully Solar Depot will remain in it. Our
        only other option is to go through the plumbing supply houses.</div>
      <div> </div>
      <div>I hear the bugs are being worked out of the Lorentz pump
        line, anyone have any experience with them?</div>
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      <div>Mike Nelson</div>
      <div>MD Electric & Solar</div>
      <div>Gualala, Ca.<br>
        <br>
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      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Doug
        Pratt <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:dmpratt@sbcglobal.net">dmpratt@sbcglobal.net</a>></span>
        wrote:<br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
                  font-size: 11pt;">Mike, from another Mendo native,
                  don’t do the Monoflo.  DC Power is getting out of the
                  pumping biz, and we’re the only Monoflo distributor in
                  the US.  Our experience with Monoflo hasn’t been good.
                  We’ve seen a number of pump failures recently, support
                  from the manufacturer is pretty thin, and
                  troubleshooting in the field is poorly developed and
                  documented.  Basically it’s… pump not working?  Try
                  plugging in a new controller. Still not working? Plug
                  in a new pump.  Dealers don’t keep expensive pumps on
                  the shelf in case of breakdowns, so repairs usually
                  end up taking weeks. Not good for dealer/customer
                  relations!</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
                  font-size: 11pt;"></span> </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
                  font-size: 11pt;">DC Power is getting out of water
                  pumping because we just don’t have the technical
                  bandwidth anymore. We’re being pressed so hard by the
                  rapidly-expanding grid-tie market that our tech
                  support crew is getting loved to death. There’s no
                  time. I’m sorry to see it go, I found water pumping
                  projects challenging and interesting, but the tech
                  cloning project has hit some snags.</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
                  font-size: 11pt;"></span> </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
                  font-size: 11pt;">From a sales perspective, the
                  Grundfos SQ Flex was the best of the lot. We heard the
                  fewest problems from them, and those problems were
                  usually on the surface (the CU200 control).</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
                  font-size: 11pt;"></span> </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
                  font-size: 11pt;">Doug Pratt</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
                  font-size: 11pt;">DC Power Systems  </span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
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                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"
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                      [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"
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                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Nelson<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 05, 2010 5:37 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos</span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">I have also installed several
                  Grundfos SQ Flex submersible well pumps, and had
                  trouble with them, primarily with the control systems,
                  the low water shut off sensor has failed on several
                  pumps, and the CU200 control boxes have failed. The
                  pumps themselves have held up so far, and seem to be
                  very efficient. I wish there were more solar direct
                  well pump options, I've tried the ETA pumps, the
                  Sunpumps (which are great for low head, low flow) and
                  am about to try a Monoflow. Any other thoughts?</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Mike Nelson</p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">MD Electric & Solar</p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="MsoNormal">Gualala
                      Ca.</p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:40 PM,
                      Gary Gordon at SYV Solar <<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:gary@syvsolar.com" target="_blank">gary@syvsolar.com</a>>
                      wrote:</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                            10pt;">Wrenches,</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                            10pt;">I set up the PV arrays for six
                            Grundfos SQ Flex submersible well pumps on a
                            cattle ranch. The first three have failed
                            (in exact order of installation) in about a
                            year. Anyone else experiencing similar
                            problems? I had always heard great things
                            about their equipment, is it time to look
                            elsewhere? Where?</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                            10pt;">Gary Gordon</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                            10pt;">Santa Ynez Valley Solar</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                            10pt;">P. O. Box 688</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                            10pt;">Santa Ynez, CA  93460</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                            10pt;">805 688-1213</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                            10pt;"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Gary@SYVSolar.com">Gary@SYVSolar.com</a></span></p>
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