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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Hi William,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Thanks for your input. We install all kinds of grid tied and
battery backup systems but we simply don't have time to deal with DIYers like
this. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">So, I thought I'd see if any Wrenches happen to be into selling
kits directly to home owners. It's definitely not my cup of tea - I can foresee
way too much technical support, code violations, etc for me to want to get
involved. </span></p>
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color:#1F497D">Best,</span></p>
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color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">August</span></p>
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color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">PS: I used to install off grid systems in the late 90s in your
neck of the woods (Atascadero, SLO County CA) too.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Luminalt Energy Corporation</span></p>
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color:#1F497D">1320 Potrero Avenue</span></p>
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color:#1F497D">San Francisco, CA 94110</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">m: 415.559.1525</span></p>
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color:#1F497D">o: 415.641.4000</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William
Miller<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] small offgrid pv kit</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">August:<br>
<br>
Off-grid and battery back-up are redundant terms. If this is for an
on-grid home wanting battery-back-up, the process of integration involves many
aspects of an electrical remodel intercepting circuits, possibly installing a
small load center in an existing structure). This requires an enhanced
electrical skill set and may be even more unsuited for installation by a
semi-skilled home owner than a battery-less grid-tie system.<br>
<br>
Kits are problematic in several regards: Every battery system we install
is different in requirements and configuration from any other. The
components are heavy and a pre-assembled back board can be quite heavy and
difficult to handle.<br>
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I discourage the "kit" approach for these reasons. If I have
qualified home owners that want to participate, I suggest they do mechanical
preparation, i.e. install plywood back-board, build battery box, set pole for
TOP mount, dig trench, and, at most, run conduit , etc. We have found
rocks inside home owner run conduit, so even this simple task requires some
training- training which is hard to verify.<br>
<br>
William Miller<br>
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At 07:44 AM 10/28/2010, you wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Wrenches,<br>
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I have a DIY client who is looking for a small $10 to $15k complete off grid
battery backup kit he can install himself. Email me off list if you have any
sources or thoughts.<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
-August<br>
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