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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>“I've also wondered if we should be fusing these things. One hand
says definitely yes, on the other hand, a big lightning strike would trip the
fuse, before the Delta could do its job.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I think
a big lightning strike would jump the fuse like it wasn’t there. So the
fuse would really make no difference at all.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Midnite
has an arrestor coming that looks like it has some good possibilities and a UL
listing! It also has a light system to show if it has been activated. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I also have
seen lightning damage and the delta seemed unharmed each time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>We need
to keep in mind that there is some luck involved; NOTHING is going to stop a
lightning bolt that just traveled 10 or 20 miles across the sky, so it jumping
a meter socket or fuse / breaker would not be hard to understand.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Later,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>R Ray Walters<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 02, 2010
3:42 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Delta
LA's<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I know, as Bill pointed out, that the Deltas are supposed to be mounted
on the exterior to allow the damage to stay outside of the combiner box. But
I've also seen a lot of old Deltas damaged by the sun, and seen them cracked off
at the 1/2" nipple attachment point, which then leaves exposed THHN
conductors against the edge of the knock out. Just bumping one with your foot
or shoulder could crack the plastic.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>We just finished a project with BOS combiners, and I mounted the Deltas
to the backing plate inside using a 2" PVC conduit clamp. In this case,
the AHJs were very concerned with sealing all KOs on the sides of jboxes, so we
would have had to mount the Deltas on Myer's Hubs. Clunky, and we didn't have
1/2" hubs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>If conditions allow, I do prefer to hang them off the bottom of a box,
as long as they're protected from physical abuse. Side mounting is definitely
asking for trouble in many situations, they're just too easy to snap off. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I've also wondered if we should be fusing these things. One hand says
definitely yes, on the other hand, a big lightning strike would trip the fuse,
before the Delta could do its job.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>BTW, with over 200 projects in lightning territory, I've never actually
had a Delta blow itself while protecting the system. Plenty of lighting damage,
though, with the Delta still just sitting there.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Anyone using the DIN rail mountable equipment from Citadel?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>R.
Walters<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a
href="mailto:ray@solarray.com">ray@solarray.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Solar
Engineer<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Dave Palumbo wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am
concerned with Delta LA 600VDC cans being mounted exterior from J-boxes (or
disconnect switches) on ground mounts.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I
remember hearing from an old hand that these devices can fail in a manner
that could possibly expose the wiring to human hands. The wires would have high
voltage DC potential. Not something we need in our industry.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Am I
worrying about something that can’t happen? Or should these be in PVC
boxes?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>David
Palumbo</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Independent
Power LLC</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Offices
in Lamoille and the Champlain Valley, Vermont</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>802.888.7194</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://www.independentpowerllc.com/">www.independentpowerllc.com</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=blue face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blue'>NABCEP
Certified Solar PV Installer™</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Vermont
RE Incentive Program Partner</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b>North Texas
Renewable Energy Inc<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:07 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>RE-wrenches<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] Testing LSAs</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>For the first time since 2004 we got a
residential PV red tag for non-listed surge supressors. I just took them off
and replaced them after we got the green tag. Of course he also red-tagged
the copper ground plate because it was not thick enough. Go figure....</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Jim Duncan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>North Texas Renewable Energy<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b>Andrew
Truitt<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:09 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>RE-wrenches<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] Testing LSAs</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
Question: Since the Delta lightning arrestors are not UL Listed, do they
threaten the UL compliance of the PV system as a whole?<br>
<br>
<br>
- Andrew Truitt<br>
Currently of Standard Solar<br>
Free agent in the Denver area as of 10/6/10<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Peter Parrish <<a
href="mailto:peter.parrish@calsolareng.com">peter.parrish@calsolareng.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I would think that an ohmmeter set to the 10 Mega-ohm setting (or the<br>
highest setting possible), would be the first test. I would like to see<br>
something on the order of 750 k-ohms (3/4 of a mega-ohm).<br>
<br>
But the system should be tested at a higher voltage, than that available<br>
from a DMM. Apply 240 Vac and measure the RMS current. It should be should<br>
be 0.3 mA or less.<br>
<br>
Finally, these puppies really need to be tested at much higher voltages,<br>
perhaps someone knows how to use that megohmmeter to test? What does the<br>
manu recommend, “if suspect, throw it away and buy a new one”?<br>
<br>
- Peter<br>
<br>
Peter T. Parrish, Ph.D., President<br>
California Solar Engineering, Inc.<br>
820 Cynthia Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90065<br>
CA Lic. 854779, NABCEP Cert. 031806-26<br>
<a href="mailto:peter.parrish@calsolareng.com">peter.parrish@calsolareng.com</a><br>
Ph 323-258-8883, Mobile 323-839-6108, Fax 323-258-8885<br>
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From:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Kristopher<br>
Schmid<br>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 1:30 PM<br>
To: 'RE-wrenches'<br>
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Testing LSAs<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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What is the best method for testing the integrity of a DC and/or AC<br>
lightning surge arrestor? Specifically, i use the Delta LA units. I
know<br>
they should be replaced if they look Bar-B-Qued, but otherwise...?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Kris Schmid<br>
<br>
Legacy Solar<br>
864 Clam Falls Trail<br>
Frederic, WI 54837<br>
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