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      <font face="Arial" size="3">Hi Dana,</font>    </p>
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      <font face="Arial" size="3">Sorry for the delay - been on the road.  Not sure if this has already been presented / discussed.</font>    </p>
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      <font face="Arial" size="3">The old standby from industrial chargers, is 100% SOC is reached when charge current drops to 2% of capacity (normaly based on 6 or 8 hr rate).  Please note, this comes from an era of constant voltage with 8 hrs to recharge then rest the batteries.  However, it is an accurate indication of full charge.</font>    </p>
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      <font face="Arial" size="3">Time for acid mixing?  Now that is a tough one!  GC2 & L16's would be close in 30 mins or ~ 10 - 15 mins per 100AH once full charge has been attained however, not sure we can apply to larger format cells.   </font>    </p>
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      <font face="Arial" size="3">Regards,</font>    </p>
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      <font face="Arial" size="3">Jamie </font><br><br>>>> "Dana" <dana@solarwork.com> 7/21/2010 7:54 PM >>><br>    </p>
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        <b><span style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10.0pt"><SPAN STYLE='FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma,sans-serif" ;FONT-SIZE:"10.0pt"'>From:</SPAN></span></b><SPAN STYLE='FONT-FAMILY:"Tahoma,sans-serif" ;FONT-SIZE:"10.0pt"'><span style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10.0pt">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Allan Sindelar<br style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10.0pt"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:17 PM<br style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10.0pt"><b>To:</b> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10.0pt"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Propane Generator, Dual Outback Inverters</span></SPAN><o p="#DEFAULT"></o>      </p>
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        The Onan RS20000 shown in the generators article in HP 131 page 98 has performed flawlessly as backup support to an Outback quad-stack of VFX3648s. Differences, however, are that this 20kW gennie charges four inverters, rather than two; the elevation is 6,600 feet for about a 20% output deration; there are no huge loads above charging draw; and the client is aware enough to shut it off before absorption reduces the charge rate - all different conditions than you have described, as the gennie is usually fully loaded and running in balance.<br><br>Darryl is right about the amount of words necessary.<o p="#DEFAULT"></o>      </p>
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