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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>James – Thank-you! this is a good start and then monitoring
the SG after a rest period w/o loads should help determine the time and SOC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>Off to the lab again Igor, we have tests to run.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>Thanks, Dana Orzel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>Great Solar Works, Inc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>E - dana@solarwork.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:windowtext'>V - 970.626.5253<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span
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re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>James
Surrette<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 23, 2010 6:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'RE-wrenches'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] RETURN AMP SETTING<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:
.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hi
Dana,</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:
.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sorry
for the delay - been on the road. Not sure if this has already been
presented / discussed.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:
.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The
old standby from industrial chargers, is 100% SOC is reached when charge
current drops to 2% of capacity (normaly based on 6 or 8 hr rate). Please
note, this comes from an era of constant voltage with 8 hrs to recharge then
rest the batteries. However, it is an accurate indication of full charge.</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:
.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Time
for acid mixing? Now that is a tough one! GC2 & L16's would be
close in 30 mins or ~ 10 - 15 mins per 100AH once full charge has been attained
however, not sure we can apply to larger format cells. </span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:
.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Regards,</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:
.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Jamie
</span><br>
<br>
>>> "Dana" <dana@solarwork.com> 7/21/2010 7:54 PM
>>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
font-family:"Century Gothic,sans-serif","serif"'>As the % of full charge is
related to the of degree absorption & gravity [the denser & more
charged acid descending, and lighter acid rising] @ what point in the
absorption would be prudent to stop charging?</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
font-family:"Century Gothic,sans-serif","serif"'> </span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
font-family:"Century Gothic,sans-serif","serif"'>I used to cut off the charge
on the Trace SW series at 12 “return amps”, VS. the factory default I think was
at 5 amps. This has & continues to work well but I never had anyone
really answer this function clearly.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
font-family:"Century Gothic,sans-serif","serif"'> </span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
font-family:"Century Gothic,sans-serif","serif"'>Is there a battery
manufacturer or wrench that would care to comment on the: </span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
font-family:"Century Gothic,sans-serif","serif"'>The minimum “Return” amps to
disconnect for a “full” charge?</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
font-family:"Century Gothic,sans-serif","serif"'>OR</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
font-family:"Century Gothic,sans-serif","serif"'>The time required per 100 AHR
after reaching the Absorption point setting for the mix to occur?</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
font-family:"Century Gothic,sans-serif","serif"'> </span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
font-family:"Century Gothic,sans-serif","serif"'>I realize that battery
construction, battery condition, age and temperature and the current power
usage will also play into this factor and it may not be a simple answer.</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'> Dana
Orzel</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>Great
Solar Works, Inc</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>E
- dana@solarwork.com</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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- 970.626.5253</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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- 970.626.4140</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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- 970.209.4076</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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- www.solarwork.com</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma,sans-serif","serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark
Frye<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 4:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Allan@positiveenergysolar.com; 'RE-wrenches'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Propane Generator, Dual Outback Inverters</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial,sans-serif","serif";color:blue'>Allen,</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial,sans-serif","serif";color:blue'>Can I infer that if you are
shutting off the gen before charge rates drop in absorption that you are
running only briefly in the absorb phase? Or do your charge currents remain
high through out an extended absortion phase?</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial,sans-serif","serif";color:blue'>Perhaps you have plenty of
PV which you rely upon to bring the batteries up through the absorption phase,
once the gen is shut off.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial,sans-serif","serif";color:blue'>I would be interest to learn
more about your approach to this.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial,sans-serif","serif";color:blue'>Thanks,</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial,sans-serif","serif"'>Mark Frye</span><br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial,sans-serif","serif"'>Berkeley
Solar Electric Systems</span><br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial,sans-serif","serif"'>303
Redbud Way</span><br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial,sans-serif","serif"'>Nevada
City, CA 95959</span><br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial,sans-serif","serif"'>(530)
401-8024</span><br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a
href="http://www.berkeleysolar.com/"><u><span style='font-family:"Arial,sans-serif","serif"'>www.berkeleysolar.com</span></u></a> </span>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma,sans-serif","serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Allan
Sindelar<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Propane Generator, Dual Outback Inverters</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>The Onan RS20000 shown in the
generators article in HP 131 page 98 has performed flawlessly as backup support
to an Outback quad-stack of VFX3648s. Differences, however, are that this 20kW
gennie charges four inverters, rather than two; the elevation is 6,600 feet for
about a 20% output deration; there are no huge loads above charging draw; and
the client is aware enough to shut it off before absorption reduces the charge
rate - all different conditions than you have described, as the gennie is
usually fully loaded and running in balance.<br>
<br>
Darryl is right about the amount of words necessary. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span class=il><b>Allan</b></span><b>Sindelar</b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><br>
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by AVG - www.avg.com</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial,sans-serif","serif"'>Version:
9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3008 - Release Date: 07/21/10 00:36:00</span>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>No
virus found in this incoming message.<br>
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<br>
Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3023 - Release Date: 07/23/10
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