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Darryl,<br>
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You are probably aware of this but the Endurance machines are 240
VAC induction machines.<br>
I had asked about their policy on AC coupling their turbines for off
grid use and they were<br>
less than enthusiastic.<br>
<br>
You might want to touch base with Endurance Wind Power before
proceeding.<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Roy Butler
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®
NYSERDA eligible PV & wind installer
PA Sunshine Program Approved PV Installer
Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC
8902 Route 46
Arkport, NY 14807
607-324-9747
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.four-winds-energy.com">www.four-winds-energy.com</a>
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a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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On 7/22/2010 9:09 PM, Darryl Thayer wrote:
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<td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">I am talking with a
customer who wants to do a standalone system using an
Endurance wind machine, solar, and genset. I have no
experience with Endurance other than to know it is a good
machine. Talking with Magnum today they informed me that
the MS 4XXX PAE inverter, combined with the ARC remote
control, and BMK battery monitoring kit can do enhanced
SOC control. Has anyone compared this with the Outback as
I have not used the PAE inverter yet, only the AE
inverter? <br>
Darryl<br>
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From: Darryl Thayer <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:daryl_solar@yahoo.com"><daryl_solar@yahoo.com></a><br>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] RETURN AMP SETTING<br>
To: "RE-wrenches"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org></a><br>
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 9:35 PM<br>
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<td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">That is
a good question, I have not an answer, but of
course it should be based on the amp hour of
the battery bank, absorb charging voltage, and
of course the charging source in the case of
generators. Following Ron's advise start at
C/5 for SOC less than 50% then C/10 till about
70% SOC and then C/15 till 80% then C/20 to 90
%. the problem we have no way to set these
values, Perhaps Ron could give is a routine?
The closet to SOC charging is the Outback and
then the Magnum but both miss the goal. <br>
<br>
--- On <b>Wed, 7/21/10, Dana <i><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com"><dana@solarwork.com></a></i></b>
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From: Dana <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com"><dana@solarwork.com></a><br>
Subject: [RE-wrenches] RETURN AMP SETTING<br>
To: "'RE-wrenches'"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org></a><br>
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 5:54 PM<br>
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style="font-size: 14pt; color:
windowtext;">As the % of full charge
is related to the of degree
absorption
& gravity [the denser & more
charged acid descending, and lighter
acid rising]
@ what point in the absorption would
be prudent to stop charging?</span></p>
<p
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<p
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style="font-size: 14pt; color:
windowtext;">I used to cut off the
charge on the Trace SW series at 12
“return
amps”, VS. the factory default I
think was at 5 amps. This has &
continues to work well but I never
had anyone really answer this
function
clearly.</span></p>
<p
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<p
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style="font-size: 14pt; color:
windowtext;">Is there a battery
manufacturer or wrench that would
care to comment on the: </span></p>
<p
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style="font-size: 14pt; color:
windowtext;">The minimum “Return”
amps to disconnect for a “full”
charge?</span></p>
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windowtext;">OR</span></p>
<p
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style="font-size: 14pt; color:
windowtext;">The time required per
100 AHR after reaching the
Absorption
point setting for the mix to occur?</span></p>
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<p
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style="font-size: 14pt; color:
windowtext;">I realize that battery
construction, battery condition, age
and temperature and the current
power usage will also play into this
factor and
it may not be a simple answer.</span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark
Frye<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21,
2010 4:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com">Allan@positiveenergysolar.com</a>;
'RE-wrenches'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[RE-wrenches] Propane Generator,
Dual Outback Inverters</span></p>
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<p
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<p
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style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color:
blue;">Can I infer that if you are
shutting off the gen before charge
rates drop in absorption that you
are
running only briefly in the absorb
phase? Or do your charge currents
remain
high through out an extended
absortion phase?</span></p>
<p
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<p
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style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color:
blue;">Perhaps you have plenty of PV
which you rely upon to bring the
batteries up through the absorption
phase,
once the gen is shut off.</span></p>
<p
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<p
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style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color:
blue;">I would be interest to learn
more
about your approach to this.</span></p>
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<p
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style="font-size: 10pt; color:
blue;">Thanks,</span></p>
<p
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style="margin-left: 0.5in;"> <br>
<span style="font-size: 10pt;">Mark
Frye</span>
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Solar
Electric Systems</span> <br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Allan
Sindelar<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21,
2010 3:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches]
Propane Generator, Dual Outback
Inverters</span></p>
<p
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0.5in;">The Onan RS20000 shown in the
generators article in HP
131 page 98 has performed flawlessly
as backup support to an Outback
quad-stack
of VFX3648s. Differences, however, are
that this 20kW gennie charges four
inverters, rather than two; the
elevation is 6,600 feet for about a
20% output
deration; there are no huge loads
above charging draw; and the client is
aware
enough to shut it off before
absorption reduces the charge rate -
all different
conditions than you have described, as
the gennie is usually fully loaded and
running in balance.<br>
<br>
Darryl is right about the amount of
words necessary.</p>
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