<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">We've had no problems with Outback inverters and AFCI breakers, other than the inverter can't actually generate the 70 amps necessary to make an AFCI trip. (an inspector's AFCI tester didn't trip when expected) I think there should be an exception to the AFCI requirement, when the power supply max surge is less than 70 amps.<div>As soon as I know its new construction requiring AFCIs, I spec a sine wave inverter. </div><div>I still like the old mod sine inverters (cheap, reliable, great surge, more efficient than sine) but they're probably only appropriate for old construction, small (uninspected) cabins, portable applications, and the third world at this point.</div><div>Especially now that Xantrex's TR series doesn't appear to be as reliable as the old DRs, we're not specing Mod sines much these days.</div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Kent Osterberg wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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I recently talked to the tech support folks at Magnum about AFCI
breakers and they didn't know of a single one that would work with
modified square wave inverters. The AFCI requirement for all new
residential construction may finally be the death of modified square
wave inverters. <br>
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Kent Osterberg<br>
Blue Mountain Solar<br>
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Can & will someone explain, why off grid inverters will cause
nuisance tripping of the AF receptacle. <br>
Does anyone have "real" field information as to how this might be
reduced or eliminated? How about which AF receptacles are less likely
to trip? <br>
TIA tump<br>
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