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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ray,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In addition to _your_ Rouges Big Three
of </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kyrocera</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BP</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Photowatt </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>let me add _my_ recently discovered Rouges Big
Three of </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Q-Cells<BR>Sharp<BR>Abound Solar</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>which are being sold direct from the
manufacturer to the end user.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Seems like many manufacturers have lapses of
conscience, some continuously others intermittently.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thank you,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill Loesch<BR>Solar 1 - Saint Louis
Solar<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I would hope that other _distributors_ like AEE
and manufacturers, like Evergreen, continue to pass on their leads as
long as the established distribution channels remain in place.</DIV></FONT>
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<A title=ray@solarray.com href="mailto:ray@solarray.com">R Ray Walters</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 18, 2010 6:47 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] Whats with
Kyocera</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Interesting, because we quit working with all three
Manufacturers mentioned for the following reasons:
<DIV>Kyocera had that 1999 bad batch that is still giving them a bad name in
the back woods here. So glad I never sold those.</DIV>
<DIV>BP bought Solarex, and starting making crappy polycrystalline stuff, (and
had their own bad batches) we got tired of making excuses for under
performance.</DIV>
<DIV>FInally, Photowatt in Albuquerque was selling to end users very small
quantities at our wholesale price. We didn't need the competition from a
supplier. Again they had some bad batches too.</DIV>
<DIV>These three companies have a long track record of bad service, bad
products, and poor performance.</DIV>
<DIV>With so many top quality modules available: Sunpower, SolarWorld,
Sanyo..... Why would any of you mess around selling </DIV>
<DIV>for a company that doesn't take care of you?</DIV>
<DIV>Just my opinion: you're only going to install so many systems this
lifetime, so don't put your name and reputation out on 2nd rate stuff.</DIV>
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<DIV>R. Walters</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:ray@solarray.com">ray@solarray.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>Solar Engineer</DIV>
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<DIV>On May 18, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Joel Davidson wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">In 2002, Kyocera cut off American distributors
shortly after hosting their distributor visit to
Japan. Kyocera started shipping everything they could to Germany
where they were getting over $1/W more than in the US. BP Solar also cut off
American distributors. Remember BP distributor Mark Weidhaas in Temecula?
Photowatt also cut off American distributors. Remember Bernard Stuart in
Albuquerque? I'm sure wrenches can think of other foreign manufacturers that
left us high and dry.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">PV manufacturing is nowhere near maxed out. PV
industry manufacturing capacity utilization is now around 60%.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">See slide 2 <A
href="http://www.luthcommunications.com/uploads/Paula_Mints_presentation.pdf">http://www.luthcommunications.com/uploads/Paula_Mints_presentation.pdf</A><BR></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Keith Cronin <<A
href="mailto:electrichi01@yahoo.com">electrichi01@yahoo.com</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>RE-wrenches <<A
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Tue, May 18, 2010 10:59:04
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [RE-wrenches] Whats with
Kyocera<BR></FONT><BR>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">I've heard alot of manu's are struggling or will be
struggling to meet demand this year- SunPower, Canadian and now it seems
Kyocera.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Who is next?</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Seems like 2006 all over again.</DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Steven Lawrence <<A
href="mailto:SLawrence@smartenergygroup.net">SLawrence@smartenergygroup.net</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>"<A
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>"
<<A
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Tue, May 18, 2010 7:51:51
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[RE-wrenches] Whats with
Kyocera<BR></FONT><BR>It's the same thing here. They aren't taking any
large orders from us. <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR><BR>Steven Lawrence<BR>NABCEP
Certified Solar PV
Installer(tm)<BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Date: Mon, 17
May 2010 18:22:27 -0700<BR>From: i2p <<A href="mailto:i2p@aol.com"
target=_blank rel=nofollow
ymailto="mailto:i2p@aol.com">i2p@aol.com</A>><BR>To: "List for
complaining about anything RE."<BR> <<A
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ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</A><BR>Subject:
[RE-wrenches] Whats with Kyocera?<BR>Message-ID: <<A
href="mailto:A1E17F2D.C667.4A0B.80D8.4725C33305E2@aol.com" target=_blank
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ymailto="mailto:A1E17F2D.C667.4A0B.80D8.4725C33305E2@aol.com">A1E17F2D.C667.4A0B.80D8.4725C33305E2@aol.com</A>><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR><BR>Without any word, they have
stopped taking orders.! Not only could they not fulfill an immediate need,
they refused to even take a pretty nice order for future
delivery.????<BR><BR><BR>Who is still getting Kyocera? Whats the deal.? Are
they dumping the small accounts??<BR><BR>If you are still doing business
with Kyocera, what size orders are you placing.? Not looking for biz
intelligence here, just respond as small , medium or large.<BR><BR>Thanks
for comments and information. Just trying to figure out where to go from
here. Like I'm looking for a supplier who treats smaller shops with some
respect. My comments do not reflect on my salesperson at Kyocera who is very
upset by being forced to refuse orders.<BR><BR>Don Loweburg<BR>Offline
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