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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Joel,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Schuco – Good German quality, wide range of modules, good energy
output tolerance, good availability, good pricing. Company appears to be solid,
which is important to me. I’m presently designing several systems around
the Schuco MPE 180 MS05 “Black Line” modules, -0%/+5% tolerance, 36Vmp
which I like, and this module can be handled by one installer (31.8” 62.2”
33 lbs), 5 yr full product warranty and 25 year power warranty. We also use the
Schuco MPE 225’s. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Systems needing greater power density get the Sanyo 215N’s
same physical size as above and are rated at 35 more Watts. Sanyo’s cost
me a $1.00 per Watt more. Sanyo’s have a 20 year warranty which is behind
the times for a top quality module.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joel
Davidson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches] PV Module Favorite (was Whats with Kyocera)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Wrenches,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I'd
like to turn this discussion 180 degrees. I'm not manufacturing PV
modules (at the moment), but I'd like to know what is your favorite PV module
brand and model? What features and benefits are important? What do you
like about the manufacturer itself (not its warehouse distributors)?
Are price, power, and availability over 90 percent of the equation? What else
really matters? Thanks in advance for your comments.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Joel
Davidson</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:solar1online@charter.net"
title="solar1online@charter.net">Bill Loesch</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
title="re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Wednesday, May 19,
2010 4:10 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [RE-wrenches]
Whats with Kyocera<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ray,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>In
addition to _your_ Rouges Big Three of </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Kyrocera</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>BP</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Photowatt
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>let
me add _my_ recently discovered Rouges Big Three of </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Q-Cells<br>
Sharp<br>
Abound Solar<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>which
are being sold direct from the manufacturer to the end user.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Seems
like many manufacturers have lapses of conscience, some continuously others
intermittently.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thank
you,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Bill
Loesch<br>
Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
would hope that other _distributors_ like AEE and manufacturers, like
Evergreen, continue to pass on their leads as long as the established
distribution channels remain in place.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:ray@solarray.com"
title="ray@solarray.com">R Ray Walters</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
title="re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Tuesday, May 18,
2010 6:47 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [RE-wrenches]
Whats with Kyocera<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Interesting, because we quit working with all three
Manufacturers mentioned for the following reasons: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Kyocera had that 1999 bad batch that is still giving them a
bad name in the back woods here. So glad I never sold those.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>BP bought Solarex, and starting making crappy
polycrystalline stuff, (and had their own bad batches) we got tired of making
excuses for under performance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>FInally, Photowatt in Albuquerque was selling to end users
very small quantities at our wholesale price. We didn't need the competition
from a supplier. Again they had some bad batches too.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>These three companies have a long track record of bad
service, bad products, and poor performance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>With so many top quality modules available: Sunpower,
SolarWorld, Sanyo..... Why would any of you mess around selling <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>for a company that doesn't take care of you?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Just my opinion: you're only going to install so many
systems this lifetime, so don't put your name and reputation out on 2nd rate
stuff.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>R. Walters<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'><a href="mailto:ray@solarray.com">ray@solarray.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>Solar Engineer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:black'><br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On May 18, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Joel Davidson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>In 2002, Kyocera cut off American distributors shortly
after hosting their distributor visit to Japan. Kyocera started
shipping everything they could to Germany where they were getting over $1/W
more than in the US. BP Solar also cut off American distributors. Remember BP
distributor Mark Weidhaas in Temecula? Photowatt also cut off American
distributors. Remember Bernard Stuart in Albuquerque? I'm sure wrenches can
think of other foreign manufacturers that left us high and dry.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>PV manufacturing is nowhere near maxed out. PV industry
manufacturing capacity utilization is now around 60%.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>See slide 2 <a
href="http://www.luthcommunications.com/uploads/Paula_Mints_presentation.pdf">http://www.luthcommunications.com/uploads/Paula_Mints_presentation.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Keith Cronin <<a
href="mailto:electrichi01@yahoo.com">electrichi01@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>RE-wrenches <<a
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Tue, May 18, 2010
10:59:04 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches]
Whats with Kyocera</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I've
heard alot of manu's are struggling or will be struggling to meet demand this
year- SunPower, Canadian and now it seems Kyocera.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Who
is next?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Seems
like 2006 all over again.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Steven Lawrence <<a
href="mailto:SLawrence@smartenergygroup.net">SLawrence@smartenergygroup.net</a>><br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>"<a
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>"
<<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Tue, May 18, 2010
7:51:51 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[RE-wrenches]
Whats with Kyocera<br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br>
It's the same thing here. They aren't taking any large orders from
us. <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
<br>
Steven Lawrence<br>
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer(tm)<br>
<br>
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Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:22:27 -0700<br>
From: i2p <<a href="mailto:i2p@aol.com" target="_blank">i2p@aol.com</a>><br>
To: "List for complaining about anything RE."<br>
<<a href="mailto:re-bitching@lists.re-wrenches.org"
target="_blank">re-bitching@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br>
Cc:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br>
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Whats with Kyocera?<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:A1E17F2D.C667.4A0B.80D8.4725C33305E2@aol.com"
target="_blank">A1E17F2D.C667.4A0B.80D8.4725C33305E2@aol.com</a>><br>
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Without any word, they have stopped taking orders.! Not only could they not
fulfill an immediate need, they refused to even take a pretty nice order for
future delivery.????<br>
<br>
<br>
Who is still getting Kyocera? Whats the deal.? Are they dumping the small
accounts??<br>
<br>
If you are still doing business with Kyocera, what size orders are you
placing.? Not looking for biz intelligence here, just respond as small , medium
or large.<br>
<br>
Thanks for comments and information. Just trying to figure out where to go from
here. Like I'm looking for a supplier who treats smaller shops with some
respect. My comments do not reflect on my salesperson at Kyocera who is very
upset by being forced to refuse orders.<br>
<br>
Don Loweburg<br>
Offline Solar<br>
<br>
*******************************************<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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