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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Wrenches,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I'd like to turn this discussion 180 degrees. I'm
not manufacturing PV modules (at the moment), but I'd like to know
what is your favorite PV module brand and model? What features and
benefits are important? What do you like about the manufacturer itself
(not its warehouse distributors)? Are price, power, and availability over
90 percent of the equation? What else really matters? Thanks in advance for your
comments.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Joel Davidson</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=solar1online@charter.net href="mailto:solar1online@charter.net">Bill
Loesch</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 19, 2010 4:10
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] Whats with
Kyocera</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Ray,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>In addition to _your_ Rouges Big Three
of </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Kyrocera</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>BP</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Photowatt </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>let me add _my_ recently discovered
Rouges Big Three of </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Q-Cells<BR>Sharp<BR>Abound Solar</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>which are being sold direct from the
manufacturer to the end user.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Seems like many manufacturers have lapses of
conscience, some continuously others intermittently.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thank you,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Bill Loesch<BR>Solar 1 - Saint Louis
Solar<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I would hope that other _distributors_ like AEE
and manufacturers, like Evergreen, continue to pass on their leads
as long as the established distribution channels remain in
place.</DIV></FONT>
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<A title=ray@solarray.com href="mailto:ray@solarray.com">R Ray Walters</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 18, 2010 6:47
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] Whats with
Kyocera</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Interesting, because we quit working with all three
Manufacturers mentioned for the following reasons:
<DIV>Kyocera had that 1999 bad batch that is still giving them a bad name in
the back woods here. So glad I never sold those.</DIV>
<DIV>BP bought Solarex, and starting making crappy polycrystalline stuff,
(and had their own bad batches) we got tired of making excuses for under
performance.</DIV>
<DIV>FInally, Photowatt in Albuquerque was selling to end users very small
quantities at our wholesale price. We didn't need the competition from a
supplier. Again they had some bad batches too.</DIV>
<DIV>These three companies have a long track record of bad service, bad
products, and poor performance.</DIV>
<DIV>With so many top quality modules available: Sunpower, SolarWorld,
Sanyo..... Why would any of you mess around selling </DIV>
<DIV>for a company that doesn't take care of you?</DIV>
<DIV>Just my opinion: you're only going to install so many systems this
lifetime, so don't put your name and reputation out on 2nd rate stuff.</DIV>
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<DIV>R. Walters</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:ray@solarray.com">ray@solarray.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>Solar Engineer</DIV>
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<DIV>On May 18, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Joel Davidson wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">In 2002, Kyocera cut off American distributors
shortly after hosting their distributor visit to
Japan. Kyocera started shipping everything they could to Germany
where they were getting over $1/W more than in the US. BP Solar also cut
off American distributors. Remember BP distributor Mark Weidhaas in
Temecula? Photowatt also cut off American distributors. Remember Bernard
Stuart in Albuquerque? I'm sure wrenches can think of other foreign
manufacturers that left us high and dry.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">PV manufacturing is nowhere near maxed out. PV
industry manufacturing capacity utilization is now around 60%.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">See slide 2 <A
href="http://www.luthcommunications.com/uploads/Paula_Mints_presentation.pdf">http://www.luthcommunications.com/uploads/Paula_Mints_presentation.pdf</A><BR></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Keith Cronin <<A
href="mailto:electrichi01@yahoo.com">electrichi01@yahoo.com</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>RE-wrenches <<A
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [RE-wrenches] Whats with
Kyocera<BR></FONT><BR>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">I've heard alot of manu's are struggling or will
be struggling to meet demand this year- SunPower, Canadian and now it
seems Kyocera.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Who is next?</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Seems like 2006 all over again.</DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Steven Lawrence <<A
href="mailto:SLawrence@smartenergygroup.net">SLawrence@smartenergygroup.net</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>"<A
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>"
<<A
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Tue, May 18, 2010 7:51:51
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[RE-wrenches] Whats with
Kyocera<BR></FONT><BR>It's the same thing here. They aren't taking
any large orders from us. <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR><BR>Steven Lawrence<BR>NABCEP
Certified Solar PV
Installer(tm)<BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Date: Mon,
17 May 2010 18:22:27 -0700<BR>From: i2p <<A href="mailto:i2p@aol.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:i2p@aol.com">i2p@aol.com</A>><BR>To: "List for
complaining about anything RE."<BR> <<A
href="mailto:re-bitching@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:re-bitching@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-bitching@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>><BR>Cc:<SPAN
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ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</A><BR>Subject:
[RE-wrenches] Whats with Kyocera?<BR>Message-ID: <<A
href="mailto:A1E17F2D.C667.4A0B.80D8.4725C33305E2@aol.com" rel=nofollow
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ymailto="mailto:A1E17F2D.C667.4A0B.80D8.4725C33305E2@aol.com">A1E17F2D.C667.4A0B.80D8.4725C33305E2@aol.com</A>><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR><BR>Without any word, they have
stopped taking orders.! Not only could they not fulfill an immediate need,
they refused to even take a pretty nice order for future
delivery.????<BR><BR><BR>Who is still getting Kyocera? Whats the deal.?
Are they dumping the small accounts??<BR><BR>If you are still doing
business with Kyocera, what size orders are you placing.? Not looking for
biz intelligence here, just respond as small , medium or
large.<BR><BR>Thanks for comments and information. Just trying to figure
out where to go from here. Like I'm looking for a supplier who treats
smaller shops with some respect. My comments do not reflect on my
salesperson at Kyocera who is very upset by being forced to refuse
orders.<BR><BR>Don Loweburg<BR>Offline
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