<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Interesting, because we quit working with all three Manufacturers mentioned for the following reasons:<div>Kyocera had that 1999 bad batch that is still giving them a bad name in the back woods here. So glad I never sold those.</div><div>BP bought Solarex, and starting making crappy polycrystalline stuff, (and had their own bad batches) we got tired of making excuses for under performance.</div><div>FInally, Photowatt in Albuquerque was selling to end users very small quantities at our wholesale price. We didn't need the competition from a supplier. Again they had some bad batches too.</div><div>These three companies have a long track record of bad service, bad products, and poor performance.</div><div>With so many top quality modules available: Sunpower, SolarWorld, Sanyo..... Why would any of you mess around selling </div><div>for a company that doesn't take care of you?</div><div>Just my opinion: you're only going to install so many systems this lifetime, so don't put your name and reputation out on 2nd rate stuff.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On May 18, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Joel Davidson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">In 2002, Kyocera cut off American distributors shortly after hosting their distributor visit to Japan. Kyocera started shipping everything they could to Germany where they were getting over $1/W more than in the US. BP Solar also cut off American distributors. Remember BP distributor Mark Weidhaas in Temecula? Photowatt also cut off American distributors. Remember Bernard Stuart in Albuquerque? I'm sure wrenches can think of other foreign manufacturers that left us high and dry.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">PV manufacturing is nowhere near maxed out. PV industry manufacturing capacity utilization is now around 60%.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">See slide 2 <a href="http://www.luthcommunications.com/uploads/Paula_Mints_presentation.pdf">http://www.luthcommunications.com/uploads/Paula_Mints_presentation.pdf</a><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Keith Cronin <<a href="mailto:electrichi01@yahoo.com">electrichi01@yahoo.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tue, May 18, 2010 10:59:04 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] Whats with Kyocera<br></font><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I've heard alot of manu's are struggling or will be struggling to meet demand this year- SunPower, Canadian and now it seems Kyocera.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Who is next?</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Seems like 2006 all over again.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Steven Lawrence <<a href="mailto:SLawrence@smartenergygroup.net">SLawrence@smartenergygroup.net</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>"<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tue, May 18, 2010 7:51:51 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[RE-wrenches] Whats with Kyocera<br></font><br>It's the same thing here. They aren't taking any large orders from us. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Steven Lawrence<br>NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer(tm)<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:22:27 -0700<br>From: i2p <<a href="mailto:i2p@aol.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:i2p@aol.com">i2p@aol.com</a>><br>To: "List for complaining about anything RE."<br> <<a href="mailto:re-bitching@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:re-bitching@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-bitching@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br>Subject: [RE-wrenches] Whats with Kyocera?<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:A1E17F2D.C667.4A0B.80D8.4725C33305E2@aol.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:A1E17F2D.C667.4A0B.80D8.4725C33305E2@aol.com">A1E17F2D.C667.4A0B.80D8.4725C33305E2@aol.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br><br>Without any word, they have stopped taking orders.! Not only could they not fulfill an immediate need, they refused to even take a pretty nice order for future delivery.????<br><br><br>Who is still getting Kyocera? Whats the deal.? Are they dumping the small accounts??<br><br>If you are still doing business with Kyocera, what size orders are you placing.? Not looking for biz intelligence here, just respond as small , medium or large.<br><br>Thanks for comments and information. Just trying to figure out where to go from here. Like I'm looking for a supplier who treats smaller shops with some respect. 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