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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>You might want to plan on the 2 hp pump
having a starting load of about 7 X the running load. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>That’s what I see on water pumps
frequently, just for an instant, but it is there. The pump will always be
starting under a “load” so to speak. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dana<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 03, 2010 10:22
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'RE-wrenches'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [RE-wrenches] Heinz 57
off-grid array<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Century Gothic"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>I see several challenges
here:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
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</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font size=4 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>You sure do
not want both pumps on at the same time or total shut down will result.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font size=4 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>The 2HP pump
is 24 amps at 120VAC or 12 amps at 230 VAC, either way 2.7KW continuous draw
and start up surge at 2-4 times [5.4KW – 10.8KW]that?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Century Gothic"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>This will be more than a
light dimmer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Century Gothic"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Century Gothic"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>I think the mix and match was
just covered here with compromises in the assorted modules.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Century Gothic"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Century Gothic"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>I s there a backup generator?
Could this grinder and water pump go direct to that on a pressure or float
switch start?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Century Gothic"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Century Gothic"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>If you are a code compliant
installer then you probably are faced with a start over.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Century Gothic"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Century Gothic"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>I have a client that we are
doing just that right now and they are glad to do this. The 2 – 30 watt
PV modules just will not get them and 2 laptops through the winter any
more…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Century Gothic"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bob Clark<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, May 02, 2010 2:29 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [RE-wrenches] Heinz 57
off-grid array - What should I do with the solar modules?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";letter-spacing:
-.3pt'>Wrenches:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";letter-spacing:
-.3pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";letter-spacing:
-.3pt'>We were called to assess the status of an off-grid system that is not
the worst I have seen, but it comes close.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";letter-spacing:
-.3pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";letter-spacing:
-.3pt'>I have some preliminary thoughts about system redesign, but would like
to hear from the Wrenches about the array.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";letter-spacing:
-.3pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2
face="Century Gothic"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";
letter-spacing:-.3pt;font-weight:bold'>Givens:<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";letter-spacing:
-.3pt'>We will not install anything unless it is to code. It is obvious
that none of the existing system was installed to code.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";letter-spacing:
-.3pt'>We will use the existing 24V battery bank consisting of 8, Trojan L16s.
The batteries are still “relatively fresh.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";letter-spacing:
-.3pt'>Pump is a Franklin pump ½ hp 115VAC. The CFs dim when the pump
starts.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";letter-spacing:
-.3pt'>New load will be a GRINDER PUMP FOR SEPTIC = 2HP, 15amp (240 or 120VAC
– more than likely it will be 240V pump) – Another light dimmer!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";letter-spacing:
-.3pt'>Modest daily electrical load (estimate no more than 600 WHr/day; 25AHr)
– they are <i><u><span style='font-style:italic'>very good</span></u></i>
at managing their electrical use.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";letter-spacing:
-.3pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2
face="Century Gothic"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";
letter-spacing:-.3pt;font-weight:bold'>Solar array – to keep or replace?<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";letter-spacing:
-.3pt'>8 solar modules – a Heinz 57 mix of older modules - 2 Photowatt
PMX500 (Are these modules UL listed? There did not appear to be a rating
label on the back.) wired in series, 2 Kyocera KC120-1 wired in series, 2
Golden Genesis PV-75 wired in series, 2 Photowatt PW 1000 12V-24V internally
wired for 24V wired in parallel with the other modules strings – all of
these modules are wired in 5 parallel strings for approximately 34.2Vmp and
20.4Imp, ~695W (STC). Oh, and they need a new mounting structures
for the modules.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";letter-spacing:
-.3pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";letter-spacing:
-.3pt'>Should I try to work with these modules or advise the customer to start
over (any modules that are not UL listed will have to go)?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";letter-spacing:
-.3pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";letter-spacing:
-.3pt'>What is a good “rule of thumb” for a ratio of PV watts to
battery bank capacity per day of autonomy?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";letter-spacing:
-.3pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";letter-spacing:
-.3pt'>Thanks for your ideas.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";letter-spacing:
-.3pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Papyrus><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#E36C0A;
font-weight:bold'>Bob Clark<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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face=Papyrus><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#E36C0A;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>SolarWind Energy Systems, LLC<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></b></p>
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