<html><head><base href="x-msg://54/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">We've found the SQ Flex to be install-and-forget for many years. Lots of installations with never a call from customers. Except that we have had 3 apparent CU-200 failures in the last few months. And Grundfos has been very hard to deal with on the warranty. We've had to replace the unit on our dime, send it back, and wait 2-3 months for Grundfos to decide it was a warranty issue. Then they credit our supplier who credits us. Another installer we know has mentioned this has been a problem lately. Anyone else seeing this?<div><br><div>
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Palatino; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div>Bruce Erickson</div><div>Mendocino Solar Service</div><div>PO Box 1252</div><div>Mendocino, CA 95460</div><div>707-937-1701</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br><div><div>On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Dana wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: windowtext; ">We had about a 50% failure rate with Lorentz pumps and controllers and stopped installing them, as Allan said “back when.”<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: windowtext; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: windowtext; ">The Grundfos SQ Flex pump has been our choice and not even 1 bad one yet and same pump for DC and AC. Pretty bomber Pump.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: windowtext; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: windowtext; ">I would be glad to hear that they got it all sorted out.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: windowtext; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: windowtext; ">Thanks, Dana Orzel<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: windowtext; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: windowtext; ">Great Solar Works, Inc<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: windowtext; ">web -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.solarwork.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.solarwork.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: windowtext; ">E -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">dana@solarwork.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: windowtext; ">V - 970.626.5253<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: windowtext; ">F - 970.626.4140<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: windowtext; ">C - 970.209.4076<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: windowtext; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: windowtext; ">"We have been slow to give up on the myth of the Earth's generosity.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: windowtext; ">Rather grandly, we have overdrawn our accounts."<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: windowtext; ">Barbara Kingsolver - Water is life.</span><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: windowtext; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: windowtext; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Allan Sindelar<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:41 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] Lorentz Sub Pump<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; ">We were burned pretty well by the period of bad Lorentzes and vowed never again. Given the long time and close relationship between Windy and myself, that wasn't decided lightly. Given Chris' and Jeff's posts, I'm willing to cautiously reconsider.<br><br>Dave, you need to find out the vintage of the pump you're dealing with. Our bad ones were around 2003-5, then we stopped using them.<br><br>I think the problem wasn't with the stator, as I never saw motor failure. Rather, either the rubber compound or the manufacturing tolerances/coefficient of expansion on the helical rotor surround were off, causing failure. Also, a few controllers failed.<br><br>I'm surprised I've not yet seen a problem with the SQFlex yet.<br>Allan<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span class="il"><b>Allan</b></span><b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sindelar</b><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><br><a href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span class="il">Allan</span>@positiveenergysolar.com</a><br>NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer<br>EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br><b>Positive Energy, Inc.</b><br>3201 Calle Marie<br>Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507<br><b>505 424-1112</b><br><a href="http://www.positiveenergysolar.com/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.positiveenergysolar.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><br><br>Chris Worcester wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Hi Dave,</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">We have lots of the Lorentz systems in the field operating either from PV direct, battery based or AC. I like them, and find them very reliable. You need to check that the pump is matched to the well’s statistics. Did they install the low water sensor with the pump?</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; ">Sincerely,<br><br>Chris Worcester</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; ">Solar Wind Works<br>NABCEP Certified PV Installer<br>Phone: 530-582-4503<br>Fax: 530-582-4603<br><a href="http://www.solarwindworks.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.solarwindworks.com</a><br><a href="mailto:chris@solarwindworks.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">chris@solarwindworks.com</a><br>"Proven Energy Solutions"</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: windowtext; border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dave Palumbo<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, April 19, 2010 12:41 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'Wrench List'<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] Lorentz Sub Pump</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Wrenchers,<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Looking for advice on the following pump. Lorentz PS600-HR04H-1-48B with power pack option and controller. <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">I will be doing an off-grid system for a homeowner who already who had purchased this pump, in fact it is down the well already, although not working, or even wired to anything yet. The dealer who sold her this pump is no longer working this job. That dealer did not install anything else. So, we have a clean slate except for this pump.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Homeowner is willing to go with another pump if I’m not satisfied of this pumps quality, suitability for her home and reliability.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">I have never used a Lorentz pump before. I do recall some mixed reviews over the years on this list on Lorentz pumps.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Typically for a home like this (modest water needs) I would install a Grundfos SQ AC pump with a standard pressure tank and run it off the inverter.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">We could do a 48 volt battery bank for this home, so we could do the Lorentz pump. This pump is designed to be powered with 48VDC nominal correct?<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Is it a reliable pump?<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Or will it be more trouble than the AC Grundfos?<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Dave<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">David Palumbo, NABCEP Certified PV Installer<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Independent Power LLC<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Offices in Lamoille and the Champlain Valley<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">802.888.7194<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><a href="http://www.independentpowerllc.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.independentpowerllc.com</a><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div><pre style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; text-align: center; "><hr size="4" width="90%" align="center">
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