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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>Hey
there Phil,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>I
know it is not polite to say something if you cannot say something nice,
but hey buyer beware. My .02.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>If
you haven’t had to deal with a Generac you are in for a huge surprise. I
have dealt with a variety of generators for close to 22+ years and I have
only seen one Generac that works regularly [ a 30 KW water cooled] and not one other
that lasted more than 6 months, I have seen them on having major trouble
holding the HZ [floating +/- 4 HZ] catching on fire, after a fire and flat out
blown with parts hanging out the side of the cylinder, controls that were fried
as “on fire again?”. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>For
those of us that have had to deliver the “ Bad News” to many an off-grid
home owner that their generator was not going to get fixed, we call them
Generwrecks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>I
would not be the first kid on the block to 1 – buy one and 2 – sell
one. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>I’d
give it a spell of others using them and great reports on how well the work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>Thanks,
Dana Orzel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>Great
Solar Works, Inc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>web
- www.solarwork.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>E -
dana@solarwork.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>V -
970.626.5253<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>F -
970.626.4140<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>C -
970.209.4076<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>"We
have been slow to give up on the myth of the Earth's generosity.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>Rather
grandly, we have overdrawn our accounts."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>Barbara
Kingsolver - Water is life.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Phil
Undercuffler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 08, 2010 4:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Kohler Generator Issues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>At the risk of jump-starting a
flogged horse, if you'll forgive my mangled metaphors, I wanted to chime in on
this thread with some new information. Generac has been working to
develop a generator specifically for the off-grid market. I don't know
much about it and we don't carry generators so I'm not trying to sell it, but I
think that any company that's willing to develop products specifically for our
market and not void warranties for normal operation should be commended.
I have a preliminary spec sheet that I would be glad to send to any who request
off-list, but the bullet points would be:<br>
<br>
PURPOSE BUILT FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY APPLICATIONS. Designed specifically to
interact with off-grid renewable energy applications, Generac introduces the
first generator intended for alternative energy interaction. Capable of tying
into an inverter and battery storage system, this provides the cleanest
running, low emission solution to recharging house batteries.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in;text-align:justify'><span style='color:black'>Sponsored in
part by the Propane Education and Research Council this development was based
on the following design goals</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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margin-left:1.5in;text-align:justify;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span style='font-size:
7.0pt;color:black'> </span><span
style='color:black'>Propane operation </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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margin-left:1.5in;text-align:justify;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span style='font-size:
7.0pt;color:black'> </span><span
style='color:black'>6kW prime rating </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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margin-left:1.5in;text-align:justify;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span style='font-size:
7.0pt;color:black'> </span><span
style='color:black'>5,000 life with 500 hour maintenance intervals</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.5in;text-align:justify;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span style='font-size:
7.0pt;color:black'> </span><span
style='color:black'>Minimum 17% efficiency </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.5in;text-align:justify;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span style='font-size:
7.0pt;color:black'> </span><span
style='color:black'>Noise rating of 65dBA or less</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'>It's a 2600 rpm (not a typo -- that's really half-way
between 3600rpm screamers and the old-fashioned 1600rpm thumpers) air cooled,
two-wire start unit, 6kVA continuous. <br>
<br>
I'm trying to dig out more information about any tare loads, electronics or
chargers, and release date, and will pass that along as I find out.<br>
<br>
<br clear=all>
Phil Undercuffler<br>
Conergy<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Kohler Generator Issues<br>
From: jason pozner <<a href="mailto:zzyyzzx11@gmail.com" target="_blank">zzyyzzx11@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Tue, March 30, 2010 5:11 pm<br>
To: <a href="mailto:jryago@netscape.com" target="_blank">jryago@netscape.com</a>,
RE-wrenches<br>
<<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br>
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Jeff,<br>
<br>
When we purchased a 12K unit for a client, the distributor conveniently waited
until after the purchase to mention the fact that Kohler wouldn't warranty
off-grid usage, and to instruct our customer to not ever mention anything other
than it was used for grid-connected standby. To pacify the perfectly
crafted words I had for him, he mentioned that Kohler had an off grid unit
coming available in the next couple of months addressing all of the fore-mentioned
concerns. This was about 2 years ago, and I now see where he intended his
smoke to go. I have never heard of such a unit again.<br>
<br>
When that same client needed another generator we shopped around and found
Cummins-Onan to be great to deal with. Simple start up procedure, quieter
than that Kohler 12K, 2-wire start, and their price for a 30K generator was
800.00 cheaper than my Kohler distributor could give to me even though it was
our first purchase with them. Thus far I have been pleased with Onan. <br>
<br>
To answer your question, we have never been contacted by Kohler.<br>
<br>
Jay Pozner<br>
Nunatak Alternative Energy Solutions<br>
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