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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hello Darryl,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I look forward to learning how you match solar
production time with consumption. I'm sure other wrenches do too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Los Angeles has generally sunny weather with
May and June coastal fog and unpredictable clouds and rain from November
until April. It hardly rains from July through November so PV users
can occasionally benefit from demand offset from PV.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Here is a manual method for managing demand
that others may find useful. A cabinet making shop owner with a grid-tied
PV system is able to control his demand rate manually. Before he
installed PV, he put a red light in the shop to warn workers when demand was
greater than his desired amount so workers could manually shut off
loads within the 15 minute demand period. PV has allowed him to
lower his demand goal, but they still has to keep an eye on the red warning
light.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Joel Davidson</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=daryl_solar@yahoo.com href="mailto:daryl_solar@yahoo.com">Darryl
Thayer</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 19, 2010 6:24
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] Demand Charge
Reduction by PV</DIV>
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<DIV>I do not agree. However I can not disagree with such logic. I
hve done some demand reduction, and I am doing some more. I did
not say it was easy. In fact it is hard, it is expensive, and in
my area the energy saving for solar for anyone on the general service
rate (demand billing) is a fool to invest on a ROI basis. HOwever
if the demand can be reduced in my area it is more valuable than the
saving from energy reduction. My present customer has a load
factor of 10% I am studing this load profile on a fifteen minute
recorder. I hope to in about 2 weeks have enough data to make my
predition as to energy saving from the solar with demand
reduction <BR>As a note, I do not need to see the future,
but the use structure has to be known, so as matt says the unlikley day
does not show up and ruenin the month. Indeed not all
buildings can be demand reduced. It is possible the
"electricity use profiles" in your location is different from
Minnesota, .</DIV>
<DIV>Darryl<BR>--- On <B>Fri, 3/19/10, Matt Lafferty
<I><gilligan06@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Matt Lafferty <gilligan06@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[RE-wrenches] Demand Charge Reduction by PV<BR>To: "'RE-wrenches'"
<re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org><BR>Date: Friday, March 19,
2010, 2:26 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=250565716-19032010><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>Wrenches,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=250565716-19032010><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=250565716-19032010><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=250565716-19032010><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>I agree with Joel.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=250565716-19032010><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></SPAN> </DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=250565716-19032010><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>This is my policy on the
matter: Consider any Demand Charge reductions to be bonuses in
favor of the customer. I think it is OK to say that there MAY be some
savings, but DO NOT try to guarantee or insinuate that there WILL
be any Demand related savings. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=250565716-19032010><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=250565716-19032010><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>Here's why: UNLESS you
have multi-year interval data for the site... AND the
ability to accurately interpret it.... AND the facility has
a favorable tariff... </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=250565716-19032010><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>AND
a site with a <STRONG><U>very</U></STRONG> predictable load
<EM>(think in terms of being able to predict the 15-minute interval
which will set the Demand Charge within +/- 1 hour).</EM>.. AND the
15-minute period which would otherwise set the Demand Charge coincides
with a period when the PV system is operating at a predictable
output.... AND your overlay of predicted generation on top of
predicted load indicates a FANTASTIC Demand reduction... AND your
proposed system has multiple inverters <EM>(the more the merrier
here)...</EM> AND the weather is reliably predictable around the
1-hour period you predict the "new" Peak Demand to occur... Don't
bother having the conversation or spending otherwise productive time
analyzing the matter... </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=250565716-19032010><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=250565716-19032010><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>If all the the ANDs above
are true and you really want to go thru the exercise, for
whatever reasons you may have, be sure to consider the following: In
order to "prove" whether or not there was an effect on the Demand
Charges due to the PV system after the fact, you will need to
have interval data for both the generation and the facility. You will
need to be able to evaluate whether or not the customer's load
profile, independent of the PV, changed from the predicted values
and, if it did, what the reasons for that were. For example, if they
increase or decrease their loads independent of the PV, the net change
is due to the customer's actions and the PV. Once you have determined
these factors, then you can begin to </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=250565716-19032010><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial>calculate the effective "value" of the PV was on a
Demand Charge basis.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=250565716-19032010><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=250565716-19032010><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>It is possible and, in fact, likely
that the PV will have some positive effect on the Demand Charges for a
given facility. It is, however, very difficult to predict what that
will be unless all of the ANDs noted above are true. One of the keys
driving the final calculation is the ratio of the PV system's power
rating to the customer's load coincident to the 15-minute interval
when the Demand Charges are set. The larger the system
is, compared to the facility load, the more likely and greater
the savings will be. Embedded in this relationship are the seasonal
and hourly load profiles of the facility, the reliability of the
weather during this period, and how closely they line up with the
production profile. If you are intending to "guarantee" some number of
kW reduction, be sure you have multiple inverters on the project. The
more inverters you have, the more confidence you can have in your
predictions. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=250565716-19032010><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=250565716-19032010><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>Over the years, I've spent plenty of
brain-damaging hours <EM>(weeks & weeks)</EM> working on
this. For utility companies, large integrators, and small
integrators. Before and after installation. With and without complex
load and generation profile data. On facilities with loads of all
magnitudes and hourly/seasonal profiles. The end result is the same...
The effective Demand Charge savings due strictly to the PV is
relatively small and terribly difficult to predict from year to year.
I've had to analyze and report on "why" the mucky-muck MBA &
Engineers' predictions were so far off from the actual experience
after the projects went in. In the minds of these folks, it seems like
a no-brainer and just another column in their spreadsheets during the
sales cycle. It's a lot more complicated than that.
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=250565716-19032010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>I know of several institutional customers who bought
into paying the integrator for these Demand savings on
projects and have walked away from doing it on future
projects. The ones who have bought into paying for projected future
Demand reductions in the up-front cost of the project have regretted
it. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=250565716-19032010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>The ones who have agreed to pay for it as a
line-item on a PPA bill, aren't doing it in the future. It's simply
too much brain-damage. Too complex. If they are going to have to pay
somebody for it, it's a lot easier to pay the utility
company.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=250565716-19032010><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=250565716-19032010><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>I've had to analyze and report on
cases where the facility Demand Charges have increased after
installation of PV systems. After you isolate the load and generation
factors, and demonstrate that the customer's load profile has
changed from the historical <EM>(generally larger loads later in
the day when the PV can't help as much)</EM>, you can do the dance of
trying to show them that they avoided something and trying to quantify
exactly what that is/was. A lot of Demand tariffs actually punish
lower kWh consumption, so you have to factor that negative impact into
the value analysis. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=250565716-19032010><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>A LOT of time goes into this when
you consider all the communication, data gathering,
analyisis, presentation, and negotiation. Remember, it only takes
one 15-minute period that occurs outside of your effective generation
curve to blow the whole theoretical thing up.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=250565716-19032010>IF you are set on going thru the exercise
with the intent of predicting/promising something, you need a facility
with a very stable load profile that occurs during peak PV periods,
stable utility voltage, </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial><SPAN class=250565716-19032010>a tariff that doesn't punish
lower consumption, reliably predictable & favorable weather
coincident with facility peak demand, a large PV to Load ratio
(>50%), and multiple inverters. The combination of requisite
weather, PV:Load ratio, and favorable tariff pretty much makes the
number of facilites, which you can model accurately, very
small.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=250565716-19032010></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=250565716-19032010>I recommend going to the beach or
mountains instead.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=250565716-19032010>$0.02001</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=250565716-19032010>Solar Janitor</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> Joel
Davidson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:47
PM<BR><B>To:</B> RE-wrenches<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches]
Demand Charge Reduction by PV<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hello Peter,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I have seen 40% to 70% monthly demand
charge reduction for some southern California PV projects for some
months, but it is still a crap shoot. 15 minutes and 1 second of
clouds during the peak demand period will trump
a client's energy management efforts unless they are
willing and able to shed loads during cloudy periods. I tell
clients that they cannot rely on the weather to cooperate, to monitor
and control their demand, and to think of any PV savings on
their monthly demand charge as a windfall.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Joel Davidson</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=peter.parrish@calsolareng.com
href="http://us.mc519.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=peter.parrish@calsolareng.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:peter.parrish@calsolareng.com">Peter Parrish</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
href="http://us.mc519.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">'RE-wrenches'</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 18, 2010
9:38 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [RE-wrenches] Demand
Charge Reduction by PV</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I failed to
clean up the subject line on this post a few minutes ago. Please
respond to this post so that we can keep track of the topic
properly.</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Esteemed
wrenches,</SPAN></FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I have been
wrestling with this concept about as long as we have been in business.
How to estimate how much a <SPAN class=SpellE>pv</SPAN> system will
reduce the demand charge for a customer.</SPAN></FONT>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I know the
“worst case” goes as follows: </SPAN></FONT>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN>(1)<FONT
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Demand is
based on measuring the consumption every 15 minutes and keeping track
of those numbers for the entire billing period.</SPAN></FONT>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN>(2)<FONT
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The customer
gets socked with a demand charge that is based on the highest 15
minute consumption for the entire billing period.</SPAN></FONT>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN>(3)<FONT
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The customer
also gets soaked with a “facilities charge” that is equal to the
greatest monthly demand number for the trailing 12
months.</SPAN></FONT>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN>(4)<FONT
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Now you have
a solar system pumping out <SPAN class=SpellE>Wac</SPAN> varying over
the familiar bell-shaped curve during the day.</SPAN></FONT>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN>(5)<FONT
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In the
southwest US, peak demand typically occurs early in the afternoon in
the summer, during the week. Our LADWP has a mantra that goes
something like this, “Peak demand occurs at 3pm PDT on the third
Thursday in August!” I believe them.</SPAN></FONT>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN>(6)<FONT
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">So one would
expect something like 40% of the peak <SPAN class=SpellE>Wac</SPAN> to
offset the peak demand, but what happened if the sun goes behind a
cloud for those 15 minutes? Answer, “Bad luck. Your demand is back to
what it was before you bought your solar system.</SPAN></FONT>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN>(7)<FONT
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">It is
actually worse than that. Peak demand recurs with approximately with
the same value with some regularity for an extended period of time, so
the sun will have to shine with full intensity every day when peak
demand is expected to occur, which in LA could be every day (M-F) of
the 30 day billing period.</SPAN></FONT>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I have always
taken the position that we can’t guarantee that any of the demand
charge will be reduced with a solar system. But what do other PV
integrators tell there customers? Better yet is there any actual data
on demand reduction with PV systems? It seems to me that occasionally
the monthly peak demand will in fact be shaved by PV production, the
question is how often in practice?</SPAN></FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I once
thought of taking actual insolation data and comparing it with actual
demand data and doing a Monte Carlo simulation (throwing the dice =
randomly matching up demand data with solar production data) – but I
haven’t retired yet.</SPAN></FONT>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I would love
to hear what others are doing about this.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-
Peter</SPAN></FONT>
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<DIV><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Peter T. Parrish, Ph.D.,
President<BR>California Solar Engineering, Inc.<BR>820 Cynthia Ave. ,
Los Angeles , CA 90065<BR>CA Lic. 854779, NABCEP Cert. 031806-26<BR><A
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