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Wrenches,<br>
Recently I wrote to NABCEP with two requests, for changes on
the website's public information:<br>
1. In addition to a state-by-state list of certificants, have also
a single overall alphabetized list that is not delimited by state, to
allow a quick check if an installer who claims certification actually
is so. <br>
2. I would like to see the year of initial certification available
as part of the published info on NABCEP's certificant listings. I would
like to think that this is also a good indicator of an installer's
experience as the field (of certificants) continues to get larger.<br>
<br>
I got thoughtful responses from Ezra and Bob-O. The essence of the
back-and-forth discussion follows my signature line. But straight and
to the point: Among those of you who are NABCEP Certified PV
Installers, what are your opinions about these two ideas? Any responses
and discussion will make its way back to NABCEP - I'll see to that.<br>
Thanks,<br>
Allan<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span class="il"><b style="">Allan</b></span><b
style=""> Sindelar</b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><br>
<a href="mailto:Allan@positiveenergysolar.com" target="_blank"><span
class="il">Allan</span>@positiveenergysolar.com</a><br>
NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer<br>
EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br>
<b style="">Positive Energy, Inc.</b><br>
3201 Calle Marie<br>
Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507<br>
<b style="">505 424-1112</b><br>
<a href="http://www.positiveenergysolar.com/" target="_blank">www.positiveenergysolar.com</a><br>
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[Last post first; earlier posts follow]<br>
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Hi Allan,</p>
<div>As always it's great to "talk" with you. I
want to correct a common misunderstanding about the qualifications to
sit for the NABCEP Installer Exam. Nothing has changed with respect to
experience. The person applying still needs to have been the person
responsible for two PV systems sometime over the past two years. You
are correct that some time ago we changed the wording to "some time
within the past two years" this was to indicate that difference between
two complete years of experience and two systems in the past two years
(our actual requirement). </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I can assure you
that the likes of Bob-O keep us all very honest when it comes to
watering down the qualifications to sit for the exam. The entire exam
committee keeps their eye on not "dumbing down" the exam. They want the
new achievers to work as hard as you and the other early adopters did.</div>
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<div>I
am not really in favour of the downloadable list because of the spam
concerns but I'll happily accede to what the "Certs" want. I'd suggest
an informal poll - RE Wrenches perhaps - trying to get some additional
buy-in from Certificants. Again that's your call.</div>
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<div>As
to the date first Certified I don't think that should be too difficult
but I hate to make promises before I speak the the folks who would
actually do the work and find out from them how difficult or time
consuming the task would be. I'm going to be in our office later this
week and I'll keep you posted. </div>
Best regards,
<div>Ezra</div>
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Auerbach<br>
Executive Director<br>
<a href="mailto:eauerbach@nabcep.org">eauerbach@nabcep.org</a><br>
North American Board of Certified Energy Practitioners (NABCEP)<br>
634 Plank Road<br>
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<div>On 2010-03-01, at 9:01 PM, Allan Sindelar wrote:</div>
Ezra, Bob-O, Tim, Rex,<br>
Wow! I appreciate the dialogue that my suggestions engendered, and the
fast response.<br>
<br>
Re the first issue, the national list: like Bob-O, I did not see spam
potential as an issue, and I'm not knowledgeable enough about spam
control to advise. I have observed that I get far fewer spam messages
in my inbox than I did a few years ago - perhaps one or two a day,
versus 15-20 maybe 4 years ago, and I haven't changed either email
addresses or public visibility. <br>
<br>
I would consider a national list to be a convenience more than a
necessity. You are all aware that I am quite protective of proper
use of the logo and any claims of certification - I have shared some of
my efforts with you. But I have seldom been hindered by having to check
state lists, so it's not a big deal for my needs - more a suggestion.
Perhaps there are others for whom this would make a bigger difference.<br>
<br>
On the other issue, I'll offer two perspectives, closely related. As
NABCEP certification becomes widespread and necessary
for so many installations, you are most likely experiencing ongoing
pressure to certify more installers. I
have already seen the qualification standards become diminished - where
an
applicant once needed to lead at least two installations to qualify,
now he or she need only show "experience installing PV systems
occurring at some point in the two (2) years prior to submitting an
application". And certification is certification, by which I mean that
once certified, there are no additional "master" or "graybeard"
additional levels available. So this becomes a very simple way to
identify how many years an installer has been certified to have the
highest qualification level our industry offers.<br>
<br>
That's the objective perspective. The other is personal: I want to be
acknowledged as one of the original 44 (?) that passed the first exam.
It's an achievement I don't mind being available to those who care. And
it will matter more as the years go by. It's a very easy way to
recognize the old timers. It's also the way to recognize the people who
saw enough value in the fledgling NABCEP effort to take and pass the
exam before it meant anything, and with no idea what it would someday
count for.<br>
<br>
Bob-O, re "I think
perhaps we should also consider adding the year that the Certification
expires": to me that is a separate issue, and one of not much concern.
It's one, two, or three years away - big deal. You're either valid or
expired. But if you add expiration year, then also decide whether
Certificants who are expired disappear from the list or have "expired"
and the year next to their name, but remain on the list as once having
been Certified. Unimportant to me, just bouncing around ideas here.<br>
<br>
One more thing - I hate SurveyMonkey. It requires choosing one of the
offered answers, even if none of the choices fits. And you can't skip
an unanswerable question. Ugh!<br>
<br>
Does this help?<br>
Allan<br>
<br>
<br>
Ezra Auerbach wrote:
I'll wait to hear back from Allan before we make any
changes - if in doubt kick the idea around with a few other installer
Certs informally and we'll use their responses to gauge if we need a
full survey. Work for you? <br>
Ezra<br>
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<div>On 2010-03-01, at 8:02 AM, Bob-O Schultze wrote:</div>
The spam thing is something I hadn't considered.
Clearly a trade-off. Adding the year of initial certification would
take some work, but it's a one-time thing. IF we do that, I think
perhaps we should also consider adding the year that the Certification
expires. That would be an ongoing chore, but perhaps it could be
automated by linked spreadsheets or something.
<div>Allan, it's your suggestion. In light of Ezra's thoughts, do
you still think alphabetizing the Certificant's names on the website
has more merit than the potential anti-spam effect? Personally, I'm not
sure the anti-spam thing is that relevant as anyone can copy and paste
the current list into another document very easily, although state by
state only. </div>
<div>Perhaps we should put this out to our Certs for a vote? Via a
survey monkey or ...?</div>
<div>Bob-O</div>
<br>
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<div>On Mar 1, 2010, at 4:17 AM, Ezra Auerbach wrote:</div>
Hi gents,
<div>A couple of thoughts. I think we could add year of
certification with undue administrative burden-I will want to check
with Tim-it will fall to him to implement. </div>
<div>With respect to a list, we long ago decided against publishing
a complete listing to make it more difficult for spammers.</div>
<div>So, it's the Certificants call. Bob-O if you are totally good
with the potential of more list spamming it would be easy to post a
list.</div>
<div>Tawk?</div>
Ezra<br>
Executive Director
<div>
<div>NABCEP</div>
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On 2010-02-28, at 12:52 PM, Bob-O Schultze <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bob-o@electronconnection.com">bob-o@electronconnection.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
Hiya Allen and All, </div>
<div>Both good ideas which I think we could -and should-
implement, especially the alphabetizing. </div>
<div>Ezra, I think a decision like this is way within your
purview. Let's talk about it.</div>
<div>Bob-O</div>
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